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Starting up without throttle. - noggythenog - 14-04-13
Reading davebo's post in the thou section entitled-starting on the button, ive made a few observations recently on when my 600 has & hasnt started on the button.
My bike has always started on the button,choke first thing but no throttle at any time. 8)
After recently fitting my K&N air filter it no longer did it,now needed just a little throttle. :\
Then fitted my simmi end can yestaerday & hey presto....back to starting on the button again
So taking the ability to start on the button as a general indicator of being in tune.
What is my pea brain deducing-well could it be that with the k&n there was greater air flow into the bike but not enough out through the standard exhaust & it was enough to upset the balance.
Then getting the new exhaust has increased the flow out through the exhaust enough to match the air flow in & is now back in harmony??????????
Re: Starting up without throttle. - Stedman8 - 14-04-13
This is what is meant by Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance,grasshopper - harmony in all things will bring out the best in man and machine
Re: Starting up without throttle. - red98 - 14-04-13
could be,could be..........so the next step is to match inlet/outlet ports to manifolds and re-jet the carbs
.....now wheres that dremmel 
Re: Starting up without throttle. - noggythenog - 14-04-13
(14-04-13, 10:28 AM)Stedman8 link Wrote: This is what is meant by Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance,grasshopper - harmony in all things will bring out the best in man and machine
Ha ha, well the first thing that folk usually say is 'do i have to get a re-jet if i get a new can or a k&n air filter?'
And the fazer monks say no coz the fazer runs lean as standard anyway.But folk may not always think theyd have to replace both to get the fazer Zen as upgrading 2 things would seem to some to increase their chances of issues but in my case my bike is running completely sweet with the combo. 8)
I've got lucky i think, a different can or filter may not have produced the same results.
Re: Starting up without throttle. - noggythenog - 14-04-13
(14-04-13, 10:54 AM)red98 link Wrote: could be,could be..........so the next step is to match inlet/outlet ports to manifolds and re-jet the carbs
Ill stick to being a bolt on bodger thanks
I know my limitations & i did need to ask for advice just to put the can on :o
I know one thing though, i would have done jack shit to my bike had a not joined this forum 8)
Re: Starting up without throttle. - red98 - 14-04-13
(14-04-13, 10:59 AM)noggythenog link Wrote: [quote author=red98 link=topic=7256.msg69422#msg69422 date=1365933251]
could be,could be..........so the next step is to match inlet/outlet ports to manifolds and re-jet the carbs
Ill stick to being a bolt on bodger thanks
I know my limitations & i did need to ask for advice just to put the can on :o
I know one thing though, i would have done jack shit to my bike had a not joined this forum 8)
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hehe....yes very good forum....all this porting talk takes me back to my teens and playing with suzuki`s gt 250 x7....lots of power to be had with them :eek
as you already know no need to re jet with the changes you have made,what you do need to do though is
GET ON AND RIDE IT
..............enjoy your fazer [size=78%] [/size]
Re: Starting up without throttle. - darrsi - 14-04-13
(14-04-13, 10:55 AM)noggythenog link Wrote: [quote author=Stedman8 link=topic=7256.msg69418#msg69418 date=1365931720]
This is what is meant by Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance,grasshopper - harmony in all things will bring out the best in man and machine
Ha ha, well the first thing that folk usually say is 'do i have to get a re-jet if i get a new can or a k&n air filter?'
And the fazer monks say no coz the fazer runs lean as standard anyway.But folk may not always think theyd have to replace both to get the fazer Zen as upgrading 2 things would seem to some to increase their chances of issues but in my case my bike is running completely sweet with the combo. 8)
I've got lucky i think, a different can or filter may not have produced the same results.
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You were almost right, in a wrong sort of way, these bikes run rich as standard.
Adding the K&N gives it more air and should really balance things out a bit, but at the same time the choke takes away the air.
It's all a bit confusing really :rolleyes