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Restricted Fazer - inditime - 20-03-13
Hi,
I bought a 2000 Fazer 600 on Saturday, only got 14K on the clock. Riding it steady to familiarize myself with a different bike.
Today I went for a nice ride, but when I try to overtake, there seems to be no power. It just gets to about 9-10000 revs and no more grunt to get past there. Im a bit dubious about this, and believe it is possibly restricted. But the dealer didn't mention this to me.
It does 0-60 in well over 8 secs, so Im a bit miffed right now. Im going back to the dealer tomorrow, and expect to get a load of bull*&^%.
How can I check if it is restricted or if it might have a more mechanical problem? Ive heard about washers in the intake, never seen or had them before, so not too sure what to look for.
Re: Restricted Fazer - darrsi - 20-03-13
Speak with the dealer first, see if they can shed some light on anything.
A few people on here before have said their restricted bikes normally max out around 8000rpm, so the fact you're hitting 10,000rpm sounds unusual, unless there are different types of restrictor kits, i'm not too sure?
An air leak can cause hesitation problems with overtaking but i'd have thought you'd have had problems in any gear?
It should certainly go way up around the 12000rpm if it's unrestricted though without any issues, so it's definitely one for the shop to deal with either way i reckon.
Re: Restricted Fazer - packie - 20-03-13
Another longshot to try is to put the bike on the centre stand and see if the back wheel is rotating freely after applying the back brake by hand. The back brake can stick or bind over time. Happened to me after I bought my bike and like you, I thought that the previous owner had a restriction kit fitted.
Re: Restricted Fazer - AdieR - 20-03-13
The only way to tell if it's been restricted is to get it on a dyno (a 33bhp bike will be 33bhp at the crank, more like 27bhp at the back wheel after transmission losses). Restriction can "strangle" four-cylinder bikes (twins like the Kawasaki ER6 don't suffer it so much).
Go back to your dealer, and let them sort it.
Re: Restricted Fazer - darrsi - 20-03-13
(20-03-13, 01:35 AM)packie link Wrote: Another longshot to try is to put the bike on the centre stand and see if the back wheel is rotating freely after applying the back brake by hand. The back brake can stick or bind over time. Happened to me after I bought my bike and like you, I thought that the previous owner had a restriction kit fitted.
A bike shop over here would MOT it before selling it.
Re: Restricted Fazer - inditime - 20-03-13
Thanks for your replies peeps. It was MOT'd and comes with 3 months warranty. Im going back to the dealer today to see what he says. He is an experienced bike mechanic/owner of the shop. I feel he knows his stuff, and I bet he knows its restricted, or he didnt do the road test that he should of done, as it was also serviced before sold.
Its a really nice bike, and with only 14k on the clock, nice and tidy to. So im not wanting to part with it as I got it for a good price. I just hope he is reasonable, and I dont have to start shouting on the forecourt words like Trading Standards blah blah blah at other potential customer like i did when i bought my car from a dealer.
Re: Restricted Fazer - packie - 20-03-13
(20-03-13, 09:04 AM)inditime link Wrote: Thanks for your replies peeps. It was MOT'd and comes with 3 months warranty. Im going back to the dealer today to see what he says. He is an experienced bike mechanic/owner of the shop. I feel he knows his stuff, and I bet he knows its restricted, or he didnt do the road test that he should of done, as it was also serviced before sold.
Its a really nice bike, and with only 14k on the clock, nice and tidy to. So im not wanting to part with it as I got it for a good price. I just hope he is reasonable, and I dont have to start shouting on the forecourt words like Trading Standards blah blah blah at other potential customer like i did when i bought my car from a dealer.
It could be possible that there was an unfortunate breakdown in communication and that he was selling the bike as restricted but forgot to make you aware of that fact.
He might take it out for nothing or he might charge you a small fee. If you have to pay a fee, you always have the choice to pick the person to do the job if you don't want to give him the satisfaction of doing it because you felt that he is just screwing you for more money.
But I'd make an effort to keep the head with him too if that is the case and not let it turn into a resentment. I lost the head with a dealer here and it took me 5 years to go back to him through stubborness and resentment. In hindsight, it was actually more of a disadvantage to me than to him and I was hurting me more than him by my actions. He could do certain things that I needed a lot cheaper than the other dealers around and I cut myself off from that and limited my options. On top of that, I found that at some stage or other, all the other dealers will rub me up the wrong way sooner or later too and have already done so!!
So enuff of the preaching!! The bottom line is that you are blessed with such a low mileage bike so I wouldn't let an extra few quid and a restriction kit get in the way of having that bike or in limiting your dealer options.
Re: Restricted Fazer - ChristoT - 20-03-13
From what I hear, the type of restrictor makes a huge difference.
I have the top hat sliders restrictor (official Yamaha), and can easy hit the rev limiter if I gun it. On my restricted, you get most pull between 6k and 8k revs, anything above that is for high speed thrashes down motorways.
A slightly cheeky way of testing it is sticking the bike in 6th and gunning it on an open road. If the bike tops out at 80 / 90 - you're restricted! The only way to get to a ton on 33hp is to do it in 3rd and 4th.
Re: Restricted Fazer - spoonlamp - 20-03-13
If the brakes were locking he'd have difficulty pushing it - and wouldn't it still rev over the 10k anyway?
Do you think you might be having any issues with the clutch? My first Fazer 600 had a screwed clutch which only became apparant after a couple of rides and I got braver with the throttle (my first bike after DAS). Turned out the clutch plates were ker-knackered...
Re: Restricted Fazer - inditime - 20-03-13
Thanks all for your help and replies.
Well, as it happens, it's my birthday today and apart from cards and gifts, I also have had some luck today.
I rang Yamaha UK, who were very helpful and told me my bike was a full power model, and that any restriction would be a throttle restrictor.
I then rang FIInternational, and asked for some advice on what sort of restrictor is commonly fitted to a Fazer. The nice man went one better and put my Reg into his database, and, BAMM, he said it was restricted in 2010. Well there you go, all our hunches were right. he even told me what type of restrictor............carb inlet washer restrictors. Thanks FIInternational, top job.
So being an enthusiastic DIYer, i stripped the bike down, took the carbs out and popped the washers out. Job done. And buttoned it up and started her up and once she was warm, she red lined no probs. All i need to do now is get here out on the road. Im sure its going to be fun. All in, took me just under an hour.
I havent told the dealer yet, im going to think of something really smarmy to piss him off. Might even mention the fact he sold me a restricted bike but advertised incorrectly. So i think a bit of compensation is in order, or he'll be getting the Trading Standards letter in the post. Just to top it off, his so called "service" he did to the bike obviously excludes air filters (they are buried quite well in there)as it looks like the original filter is still in there.
So much for going to a dealer thinking I'd get some piece of mind. Obviously just a guy who doesnt care and takes shortcuts thinking customers wont notice. What a tool.
Anyway , Im on the road, just need to get my poorly FZ back together. But no rush.
Re: Restricted Fazer - Chris - 20-03-13
Glad you got it sorted!
I'd just be straight with the dealer and say that the bike was restricted and how could he have not noticed that if it'd had the proper checks like a test ride etc to make sure it was all ok and the fact that if he didn't check or change the air filter what did he do for the "service". Going in and being smarmy or threatening him with trading standards will immediately get his back up and you'll get nothing from him.
All the best,
Chris
Re: Restricted Fazer - darrsi - 20-03-13
The restrictor isn't really part of an MOT, so you wouldn't expect him to go screaming down the road to see if it's breathing ok, a normal run would probably feel fine.
Stuffy air filter is a bit lazy though.
Get a K&N fitted and the bike will spring into life as if it's previously been strangled. :lol
Re: Restricted Fazer - inditime - 20-03-13
Went up to the dealership today, dealer was nice as pie, no hard felings. I agree, he wouldnt notice on a test drive around the industrial estate. He is really busy to go on long rides. Yes, bit lazy on the air intake, ill get a new one soon.
Re: Restricted Fazer - Chris - 21-03-13
Glad he was nice to you. I've never ridden a restricted bike so wouldn't know if you'd feel it in slower riding.
Anyway, the K&N mod is a good one, here's where I got mine:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310109052723?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Chris
Re: Restricted Fazer - packie - 21-03-13
(20-03-13, 08:00 PM)inditime link Wrote: Thanks all for your help and replies.
Well, as it happens, it's my birthday today and apart from cards and gifts, I also have had some luck today.
I rang Yamaha UK, who were very helpful and told me my bike was a full power model, and that any restriction would be a throttle restrictor.
I then rang FIInternational, and asked for some advice on what sort of restrictor is commonly fitted to a Fazer. The nice man went one better and put my Reg into his database, and, BAMM, he said it was restricted in 2010. Well there you go, all our hunches were right. he even told me what type of restrictor............carb inlet washer restrictors. Thanks FIInternational, top job.
So being an enthusiastic DIYer, i stripped the bike down, took the carbs out and popped the washers out. Job done. And buttoned it up and started her up and once she was warm, she red lined no probs. All i need to do now is get here out on the road. Im sure its going to be fun. All in, took me just under an hour.
I havent told the dealer yet, im going to think of something really smarmy to piss him off. Might even mention the fact he sold me a restricted bike but advertised incorrectly. So i think a bit of compensation is in order, or he'll be getting the Trading Standards letter in the post. Just to top it off, his so called "service" he did to the bike obviously excludes air filters (they are buried quite well in there)as it looks like the original filter is still in there.
So much for going to a dealer thinking I'd get some piece of mind. Obviously just a guy who doesnt care and takes shortcuts thinking customers wont notice. What a tool.
Anyway , Im on the road, just need to get my poorly FZ back together. But no rush.
While you were at the carbs, I would have taken the opportunity to balance the carbs. All that playing about is bound to have thrown them out.