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I couldn't help it... - simonm - 17-03-13
Bought another bike. Why ? I don't know. It's newer than my other one, jazzier paintwork. But looks like it needs some TLC.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-RED-BLACK-/330886859498
Any advice ?
Cheers
Re: I couldn't help it... - His Dudeness - 17-03-13
What's better than a Fazer?....Two Fazer's :lol Looks like a solid bike. Needs new tyres front and back. You'd want to carefully inspect the chain as well as they can be for the bin at half wear if they've not been looked after. I'd do an oil and filter, brake fluid change no matter when the owner says he's last done it. So I'd budget for all that. Cosmetically it looks in great condition, looks like it's never been dropped which is rare! Just give the engine a paint with a good quality paint and it would look like new. Sounds like it has a cam chain rattle to me which is fairly typical of these bikes. It could be that the tensioner is about to advance on a click and then all will be well or it could be that the cam chain is worn out and needs to be replaced which would be bad news.
Re: I couldn't help it... - unfazed - 17-03-13
Looks great paint wise except for the engine and yes it sounds like cam chain rattle.
Good price for what I think is the best colour combination.
Cam chain is not a huge job to fix with a split chain (max 6 hours work in total) and it has stainless exhaust which is good.
A cam chain and soft link is about £50
Maybe Packie might paint the engine for you :lol http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,6762.0.html
Re: I couldn't help it... - Lez72 - 17-03-13
Are you planning on selling your other or keeping them both ?
If you have a garage and are keeping them both i (personal preference) would get it inside and strip it down and give it a right proper clean up (not suggesting it's dirty but the seller has done 'all weather' commuting on it). Whilst its stripped you could check all the consumable parts (tyres, chain, sprockets, plugs, pads, filters, oil etc) and replace where necessary and clean what isn't. Any threaded fixings you remove can be coppergreased prior to refitting.
I suggest this for a number of reasons but mainly 1) You have another bike to ride so you won't be off the road if we ever get any decent weather 2) You will have a cracking little bike at the end of it 3) It will teach you loads about your bike and you will get to know it inside out and about how things work 4) It will create a sense of acheivement when its all back together and looking spangly.
On the other hand, you may not be that way inclined in which case just check to make sure everything is safe and then go out and ride the shit out of it :rollin
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 17-03-13
I think I'd hope to keep it and try to get the missus to take her cat a test.
I'd love to do a full refurb but the idea scares me witless. I need a mechanic type friend who can give me advice and pointers :-)
Thanks for the positivity :-)
Re: I couldn't help it... - Chris - 17-03-13
Nice one! Wish I could afford to have another bike, think I need my own garage space first though! haha! Dad might notice if I sneak another bike into his garage.
Looks good, needs red silicon coolant hoses though..
As for doing a full strip and refurb, you'd be amazed how much you'd manage to do with time, patience and common sense. There is so much help on this site that you'd never be stuck and if the s&*t hits the fan then i'm sure you'd find someone close by to lend a hand. Go for it, give it a go, if it really all goes tits and you can't get it all back together then sell the parts and make a fortune
Hope it works out well,
All the best,
Chris
Re: I couldn't help it... - packie - 17-03-13
Personally I would have gone for this one on ebay......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-51-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-JUST-14002m-ONE-PREV-OWNER-NEW-MOT-/261181234977?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D6312816475464118481%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D330886859498%26
....ya...its about 400 bucks more, but you could be putting that into your bike very shortly when you think about it.
Your tyres are nearly shot (£170) and if that rattle is the camchain (£50) and if you haven't the ability to do it yourself, then 4-5 hours labour in a garage could cost you another £200-£300. And you dunno if the tensioner is ok either. Mine was goosed and costed me another £120 onto that.
If your bike had nothing to be done to it, then I would have classed it as a real bargain at £970. But it mightn't be so until you see were you stand with that camchain and tensioner. I had to do my camchain and tensioner plus another few things, which made my (what I thought was a) bargain purchase, not such a bargain afterwards and a bit of a disappointment money wise.
Best of luck with it anyway. Not trying to rain on your parade, but just making people aware that they need to think carefully when they see a "bargain".
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 17-03-13
It went for £1651 which, I think, is hopefully more than it'll cost to get mine sorted.
In addition. It was in Devon which is half the country away from me
And my one has a belly pan, stainless steel down pipes etc.
I dunno, you may be right, you may be wrong but you roll the dice and take your chances huh :b
Re: I couldn't help it... - bigsteve - 18-03-13
I know the feeling simonm I couldnt resist either just added a XJR1300 to my stable
you enjoy yourself with your new bike
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 18-03-13
(18-03-13, 12:00 AM)bigsteve link Wrote: I know the feeling simonm I couldnt resist either just added a XJR1300 to my stable
you enjoy yourself with your new bike
Nice one :-)
Re: I couldn't help it... - packie - 18-03-13
(17-03-13, 10:41 PM)simonm link Wrote: It went for £1651 which, I think, is hopefully more than it'll cost to get mine sorted.
In addition. It was in Devon which is half the country away from me
And my one has a belly pan, stainless steel down pipes etc.
I dunno, you may be right, you may be wrong but you roll the dice and take your chances huh :b
It went for £1,650?? Well that is why it caught my eye at £1,350. It would have beed a good investment money wise.
On the other hand, if I bought your bike it wouldn't be a bargain or good investment IMO. I would need a front tyre asap or risk the bike getting totalled. Now i'm up to £1,050.
Next on the "asap list" is that it's obvious that I have camchain problems. Do I risk driving it and having a engine destruction, or have it checked out?? To actually physically see that all is ok, then I need to whip out the tensioner and see were the camchain is on the notches on it. That is a carbs off jobbie. If I can't do it myself, then that is another £100 for 2-3 hours labour in a garage. Outlay now is up to £1,150. If it need a camchain, that another £150 for parts and additional labour. They might even insist that you get a gasket for the cam cover like my guy did. Now the outlay is up to the £1,300. And my bike is still only worth £950 were as if that other bike was £1,350...then I would have bought that bike with a better return for my investment. I only speak from making that blunder myself and having the experience myself of having to pump dead money into what I thought was a "bargain" at the time. No offence is intended. This post might be of help to others if not to you.
That other bike has a bellypan too...dunno were you are coming with that statement. And do you think that stainless pipes is s good thing?? Not quite. Ok, it will allow you to neglect your pipes going forward without the risk of rotting. But the mere fact that they are on the bike in the first place with the original can, will tell a more shrewd buyer than me a sort of a story. And that story being that the originals rotted with NEGLECT. A look at the other dudes pipes (mint after 12 years) confirms he hasn't treated his bike with NEGLECT. So your pipes are actually a negative in a sale rather than a positive over the other guys mint originals.
If you can do all the work yourself, then you bike will be a fairly decent buy IMO. But if you are paying for engine work, then you may not have bought the bargain that you thought. That was my experience with my own bike so again no offence intended....just sharing my experiences.
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 18-03-13
Wow negativity central :eek
Thanks for sharing your concerns anyway. I thought that even if I scrapped it I could make my money back and in the meantime I can dress up my kosha fazer with new fairings, new exhaust and a bellypan.
Nevermind.
Re: I couldn't help it... - His Dudeness - 18-03-13
I'll try and look on the bright side a bit for you :lol Most fazers I've seen have a bit of cam chain rattle so I wouldn't say it definitely has a major problem. It could easily be that the tensioner is about to advance on and the noise will go itself or it might just be stuck between adjustments. Taking it out and seeing how far advanced it is is not difficult and if you can do it yourself is free. Doing that will reset it and might solve your problem for nothing. If it doesn't the bike is cheap enough that you can put a few quid into it and have a great bike that will look like new.
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 18-03-13
I've just spoken to the guy and he's given me a level of confidence that it was a good buy. Seems like a genuine reason for sale and he knew the other owners as they were all friends
I'll do the checks and take it from there.
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 18-03-13
looks like it has a double bubble and the (nice sounding bloke) said it has braided brake hoses too. The graphite style hugger looks nice too.
Re: I couldn't help it... - simonm - 18-03-13
(18-03-13, 02:43 PM)His Dudeness link Wrote: I'll try and look on the bright side a bit for you :lol Most fazers I've seen have a bit of cam chain rattle so I wouldn't say it definitely has a major problem. It could easily be that the tensioner is about to advance on and the noise will go itself or it might just be stuck between adjustments. Taking it out and seeing how far advanced it is is not difficult and if you can do it yourself is free. Doing that will reset it and might solve your problem for nothing. If it doesn't the bike is cheap enough that you can put a few quid into it and have a great bike that will look like new.
Thank you
. Time to read up on the Haynes manual and try to understand what everything in an engine actually does . You were speaking in a foreign language I'm afraid.
Re: I couldn't help it... - darrsi - 18-03-13
From experience, and also reading on here, the cam chain rattle normally starts around the 30,000 mark.
The fact it was mentioned in the ad (fair enough) and that the bike's done 38,000 and still rattling suggests to me it'll need sorting sooner rather than later.
I know some people ignore it and just live with it, i personally found the noise irritating and wanted it sorted straight away.
You'll always get a bit of rattle on start up in colder weather due to the oil not being warmed up, but the noise should totally go away if it's within spec.
Re: I couldn't help it... - packie - 18-03-13
(18-03-13, 01:36 PM)simonm link Wrote: Wow negativity central :eek
Thanks for sharing your concerns anyway. I thought that even if I scrapped it I could make my money back and in the meantime I can dress up my kosha fazer with new fairings, new exhaust and a bellypan.
Nevermind.
Not Quite Negativity Central.....just being realistic. :rolleyes
The owner of my bike sounded very genuine to me too....aren't they all!! These guys are hardly not going to butter you up to get you to part with your hard earned cash...so I'd take that with a grain of salt. Afterall, he nearly took the bike off ebay due to lack of interest so he would be bulling to sell it.
I had a little camchain rattle on my bike as well. Not alone was the camchain goosed, but the tensioner had been welded on the tip to take up the slack. If I drove it on, I would have wrecked the engine. I can't find the thread, but a guy on this forum did exactly that and wrecked his engine. Both the camchain and tensioner had to be replaced at a total cost of £170 parts and £200 labour. So much for my genuine seller!!
Then the discs were worn beyond the limit which I had no tool on me to check when buying...another £350 was poured into the bike. There was other stuff too after that. This is not negativity. This actually happened to me and my reality. I'm just sharing because it could easily be possibly yours or anyone elses reality too.
I agree that it may be a good buy for you as you have the fallback of using it for spares if you wish for your other Fazer. I didn't have that luxury as my other bike is a Bandit 12. This Fazer was meant to be my workhorse while keeping my Bandit fresh.... so I had to make it work out for me and put the money in... or else take a huge hit to sell it for scrap.
Anyway....I hope the bike is ok. But I'm at a bit of a loss though on how you have come up with the idea that you could get your £970 back with a pile of stuff stripped off it when this guy could barely sell as it was with all the stuff on....doesn't make sense!
Re: I couldn't help it... - Exupnut - 18-03-13
i was watchin that listing. it was on 800 right till the end. bloody good buy mate. just needs a bit a tidyin up is all. and sprayin Blue
Re: I couldn't help it... - Mark YPVS - 18-03-13
Looks like a good buy ( time will tell)
take the good stuff off and fit to your other Fazer , tart it up, learn how to do cam chain and anything else that needs doing and if you sell it and break even(ish) youve learnt new skills for free(ish) if you keep it just enjoy it as its not about cost( within reason) its about the fun of doing and learning and if you completly foc it up break it and get most of your cash back :lol :lol Mark