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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 31-01-19
Quote:I don't want No Deal. I want them to agree a deal.What! :eek :eek :eek
Then what is it that you want?
Quote:But the EU are being deliberately awkward and uncompromising in helping the UK to achieve that.No the UK wants a divorce from the relationship it spent some 45 years building. We had a deal, we had the best possible deal we could have.
The EU has spent the last 2 years negotiating with Ms May and have agreed a Withdrawal Act. That allows us continued single market access while we negotiate our exit from the EU.
May cannot get her Withdrawal Act through parliament. Her Tory party objects to the protection that it affords the Irish Border.
Quote:They're hoping that all the palatable and workable options are closed off and that remaining is all that's left.I hope so. As we all know the best deal is the deal we have. However I suspect we are leaving one way or another.
But meanwhile yeah, please do tell us what it is you want..................
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 31-01-19
I think its fair to say a lot of us leavers don't want no deal, but we do want it on the table to give us leverage. Whatever remainers say, the EU wont want it either, its just who blinks first
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 31-01-19
(31-01-19, 10:14 PM)VNA link Wrote: And then there is the nightmare of the Irish border.How does the EU manage its border with Brazil ?
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 31-01-19
Quote:I think its fair to say a lot of us leavers don't want no deal, but we do want it on the table to give us leverage.So again, what is it that you want?
Quote:EU wont want it either, its just who blinks firstMy opinion is the EU will not blink. Their priority is the integrity of the single market. Secondly, they will do everything within their powers to protect one of it’s members from conflict on it’s border.
And they won't blink because they know as painful as NO DEAL will be for them, it won't hurt a fraction as much as it will us, plus in the long term they will still have the security and stability of the single market.
And you know what the UK is doing in contrast. It’s gambling. Not just it’s economy, but it’s gambling peace in Ireland, and peace across the UK.
Absolutely and utterly shameful.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 31-01-19
![[Image: DyRSs9ZX0AY-I29.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyRSs9ZX0AY-I29.jpg)
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 31-01-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9OUvYsvtq8
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 01-02-19
Quote: I don't want No Deal.A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.
Does that mean people are allowed to change their minds on Brexit? :pokefun
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 01-02-19
sorry I should have been more specific.
I would prefer a deal, but one that gives us much more than the one the EU has agreed with Teresa May.. Failing that, I would prefer no deal as a second option.. What would be the point of keeping your powder dry if your not prepared to use it?
If it came to no deal, then of course it will be tough...but aren't most things that are worth having worth fighting for? Hasn't that been a huge part of our history and identity as a nation?
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 01-02-19
(31-01-19, 01:27 AM)VNA link Wrote:and yup, that cartoon sums it all up brilliantly. And I for one am done with sucking up that fellers piss..
![[Image: DyMONu1X0AAsXY3.jpg:large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyMONu1X0AAsXY3.jpg:large)
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 01-02-19
Quote:A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.Yup, that certainly seemed to be the case.
Does that mean people are allowed to change their minds on Brexit? [img alt=:pokefun]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/pokefun.gif[/img]
Quote:I would prefer a deal, but one that gives us much more than the one the EU has agreed with Teresa May.And that is?
Quote:What would be the point of keeping your powder dry if your not prepared to use it?The problem is where the barrel is pointing. And that cannot be changed.
Quote:If it came to no deal, then of course it will be tough.Yup tougher than the financial crises of 2008. UK industry devastated, millions on the brew, food banks everywhere - well once we get our supplies sorted. And for what?
Quote:but aren't most things that are worth having worth fighting for?Perhaps you could tell us what 'we' are figthing for?
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 01-02-19
![[Image: DyFzMLcVAAA2y-R.jpg:large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyFzMLcVAAA2y-R.jpg:large)
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 01-02-19
So foc-u BREXITEERS want to leave the EU, but they dunno why.
They wanted out, just get foccing out, they didn’t wanna deal, they just wanted out.
Now they wanna deal, but not May’s deal. They wanna deal. Just they dunno what sort of deal they want, something more than May’s deal.
But most of all, they might not know what they want, but they are absolutely certain it’s worth fighting for.
This is what makes Britain so fuckin Great! Fuck yeah!
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - Grahamm - 01-02-19
Billboard campaign reminds voters of MPs' Brexit promises
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 01-02-19
(31-01-19, 10:45 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:I don't want No Deal. I want them to agree a deal.What! :eek :eek :eek
Then what is it that you want?
At the time No Deal appeared achievable. Since then pretty much everyone is agreed that it ain't gonna happen.
Parliament has voted to reject No Deal.
If the only alternative is remaining, then Deal is far preferable.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 01-02-19
(01-02-19, 12:02 AM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: I don't want No Deal.A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.
No Deal is no longer achievable. Parliament will stop it happening.
Deal is far preferable to Remain if that's the only other alternative.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - darrsi - 01-02-19
(31-01-19, 05:21 PM)ogri48 link Wrote: im afraid I have no respect for any MPs whatsoever, but then again they very obviously feel exactly the same about me to be fair..
:agree
They're similar to trying to pick a winner in a horse race, you eliminate the really shit ones first then work your way backwards until you're left with one likely candidate.
You don't have to particularly like them but they appear to be the likeliest winner.
Then once the race is off they fall at the first fence. :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 01-02-19
(01-02-19, 12:02 AM)mtread link Wrote:Calm down, calm down.Quote: I don't want No Deal.A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.
Does that mean people are allowed to change their minds on Brexit? :pokefun
I said most recently on 25th January in this thread that 'No Deal' wasn't going to happen.
I said on 28th January that I hoped May's deal would get through Parliament.
If you still want to leave and No Deal isn't a realistic option, then Deal it is. Anything other than Remain.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 01-02-19
(31-01-19, 10:45 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:I don't want No Deal. I want them to agree a deal.What! :eek :eek :eek
(01-02-19, 08:46 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Calm down, calm down.
I said most recently on 25th January in this thread that 'No Deal' wasn't going to happen.
I said on 28th January that I hoped May's deal would get through Parliament.
If you still want to leave and No Deal isn't a realistic option, then Deal it is. Anything other than Remain.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 01-02-19
Quote: Calm down, calm down.I said most recently on 25th January in this thread that 'No Deal' wasn't going to happen.I said on 28th January that I hoped May's deal would get through Parliament.If you still want to leave and No Deal isn't a realistic option, then Deal it is. Anything other than Remain.
So you've changed your mind. Excellent! You're in favour of a 2nd Referendum. Allow everybody else the same option.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 01-02-19
(01-02-19, 11:18 AM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: Calm down, calm down.I said most recently on 25th January in this thread that 'No Deal' wasn't going to happen.I said on 28th January that I hoped May's deal would get through Parliament.If you still want to leave and No Deal isn't a realistic option, then Deal it is. Anything other than Remain.
So you've changed your mind. Excellent! You're in favour of a 2nd Referendum. Allow everybody else the same option.
Is another referendum required in order to deliver Brexit via either Deal or No Deal?.
You'd best write to the government ASAP to let them know the error of their ways
