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Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 06-03-21
Quote: So it looks like a US judge has allowed civil proceed against her in the US -and her husband, for allowing her to use his car.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 06-03-21
(06-03-21, 03:18 PM)mtread link Wrote:It really irritates me how in the news whenever they talk about it that it is introduced as Harry Dunn who dies in a MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT. Conscious bias.Quote: So it looks like a US judge has allowed civil proceed against her in the US -and her husband, for allowing her to use his car.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 06-03-21
Indeed. If he'd been cycling when she killed him on the wrong side of the road, would they have called it a BICYCLE ACCIDENT?
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 09-03-21
'' Sacoolas would be prepared to do community service in the US " - You don't get to decide the punishment.
'' If it had happened in the US, it wouldn't be a criminal offence" - It didn't
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-56326406
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 09-03-21
(09-03-21, 11:27 AM)mtread link Wrote: '' If it had happened in the US, it wouldn't be a criminal offence" - It didn't
WTF? Wow! That's a great idea, commit a crime in one country, then try to get off because it isn't a crime where you come from... :rolleyes
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 09-03-21
(09-03-21, 01:58 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=mtread link=topic=25682.msg323709#msg323709 date=1615285674]WTF? Wow! That's a great idea, commit a crime in one country, then try to get off because it isn't a crime where you come from... :rolleyes
'' If it had happened in the UK, it wouldn't be a criminal offence" - It didn't
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Modified it to fit Prince Andrews circumstances now :pokefun
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 13-12-21
Probably by video link, I would think
BBC News - Harry Dunn crash: Anne Sacoolas to face Westminster magistrates
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 13-12-21
(13-12-21, 06:41 PM)mtread link Wrote: Probably by video link, I would think
BBC News - Harry Dunn crash: Anne Sacoolas to face Westminster magistrates
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750
:agree
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 13-12-21
There seems to be some confusion because:
Quote:The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Mrs Sacoolas' case would go before magistrates next month.
Her lawyers denied reports the 44-year-old would attend via video link and said no such agreement had been made.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - beuleux - 04-01-22
The whole thing was a balls up from the start given that the driver wasn't even covered by diplomatic immunity which was pointed out after the event, if you want to get away with murder simply become a prime minister or a president then you can get away with it on a massive scale
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 20-10-22
You might have missed this because the news today has pretty much all been coverage of the political chaos in Westminster, but...
American citizen Anne Sacoolas has pleaded guilty to killing British teenager Harry Dunn in a hit-and-run near a US military base.
US citizen Anne Sacoolas admits killing Brit teenager Harry Dunn in hit-and-run
Unfortunately she's only pleaded guilty to "careless driving" rather than "dangerous driving" (a more serious charge) and, given that she appeared by video link, there's still no guarantee that she will show up for sentencing, so it's not the best result for the family
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 21-10-22
The judge has said she must come back to the UK for sentencing, but we all know that's not going to happen. She'll probably get a suspended sentence at most, which is pointless as she's not likely to return here. You get the impression that the deal has already been done between the UK and US governments. Something must be said about driving on US airbase 'villages' where they drive left hand drive cars on the right hand side of the road. So as soon as they come outside the gates they are disoriented. We in the UK are used to driving in Europe in a left hand hire car, but the USA behaves like it is the only country in the world.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 21-10-22
(21-10-22, 10:09 AM)mtread link Wrote: The judge has said she must come back to the UK for sentencing, but we all know that's not going to happen. She'll probably get a suspended sentence at most, which is pointless as she's not likely to return here. You get the impression that the deal has already been done between the UK and US governments. Something must be said about driving on US airbase 'villages' where they drive left hand drive cars on the right hand side of the road. So as soon as they come outside the gates they are disoriented. We in the UK are used to driving in Europe in a left hand hire car, but the USA behaves like it is the only country in the world.
It's more common than you would think, to be fair.
I work on an industrial estate which has a road in and a road out, side by side but divided with a security hut to control traffic.
The amount of times I have gone to leave the estate but a European has gone to drive into my Exit lane is far too many for my liking. I've even looked right before turning left then had cars flying past me on the wrong side of the road that I've spotted just in time.
So although due care and attention should be the main aim, I can also see how easy it can be to forget if you are so used to driving on a different side of the road. It's not an instant thing, it must take your brain time to adjust.
I've never ridden a bike abroad, and just the thought of confusion does horrify me to be truthful.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 21-10-22
I travel to France regularly and occasionally pull out on the wrong side of the road when i am there, or in the UK after I return.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - robbo - 21-10-22
When driving abroad for the first time, wearing your watch on the right wrist is a quick reminder of what side of the road you should be on. On a bike, something like a strip of bright coloured tape on the right mirror stem, could have the same benefit.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 22-10-22
(21-10-22, 07:58 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: I travel to France regularly and occasionally pull out on the wrong side of the road when i am there, or in the UK after I return.
It's nobody's "fault", you just get used to doing something one way and it takes time to adjust if you suddenly need to reverse everything you've taught yourself to do as naturally as possible.
How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Slaninar - 22-10-22
Different sides of driving in different countries are among the clearest examples of how stupid human race is.
I think left side makes more sense (most people get on-off bikes and horses from that side), but right is not too bad either, as long as one standard is set globally.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 22-10-22
(22-10-22, 11:27 AM)Slaninar link Wrote: I think left side makes more sense (most people get on-off bikes and horses from that side), but right is not too bad either, as long as one standard is set globally.
The British rode horses on the left, because it allowed the rider to wield a sword with their right hand. We exported this to the British Empire and many of those countries still follow our practice.
The Americans used the right hand side because, when they used wagons for transport, the driver would sit on the left such that, if two wagons were passing each other, the drivers could easily look down to their left and check the wheels weren't going to clash. Also they would sit on the left rear horse, because that meant that they could use the driving whip on the horses on the left or the right of the team without having to reach across.
Supposedly Europe drives on the right because Napoleon was left handed, so he made everyone else follow him after he conquered much of Europe, but there's no actual documentary proof of this.
The last European country to change from left to right was Iceland in 1968. These days it would be prohibitively expensive to change over a modern, industrialised country from left to right hand traffic.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 22-10-22
Quote:It's nobody's "fault", you just get used to doing something one way and it takes time to adjust if you suddenly need to reverse everything you've taught yourself to do as naturally as possible.That's probably why both sides settled on 'careless driving' rather than 'dangerous'. Dangerous requires intent to break the law, such as speeding or crossing a solid white line. All that matters is whether Harry's family are content with the verdict, and they seem to be.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - midden - 23-10-22
(22-10-22, 11:27 AM)Slaninar link Wrote: Different sides of driving in different countries are among the clearest examples of how stupid human race is.
I think left side makes more sense (most people get on-off bikes and horses from that side), but right is not too bad either, as long as one standard is set globally.
So you're that one sitting on the fence wondering whether or not to jump on the horse
