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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 10-11-18
(09-11-18, 09:33 PM)ogri48 link Wrote: I saw a thing today about a 16 year old giving a speech about 16 year olds getting the right to vote. I think thats ridiculous because they havnt got a clue and don't pay taxes etc etc. But then I would, I'm an old man.
In the run up to and since the referendum I heard quite a number of them saying in the media that people over about 40 should be barred from voting.The theory being that the younger voters have got to live with the result for longer and that it's 'Our right to decide our future'
Nothing to do with the fact that older voters tend to vote Leave more and it would be a way of skewing the vote :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 10-11-18
Where did you hear that? I've never heard it.
Anyway, what is a fact is that since the referendum over half a million Leave voters have since died (well that was a waste of their time wasn't it) and more than half a million Remainers have reached voting age.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html
And from January it will be a clear win for Remain. Can't wait for the new referendum
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 10-11-18
..its a brave new world...
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - nick crisp - 10-11-18
(10-11-18, 03:41 PM)mtread link Wrote: Where did you hear that? I've never heard it.
Anyway, what is a fact is that since the referendum over half a million Leave voters have since died (well that was a waste of their time wasn't it) and more than half a million Remainers have reached voting age.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html
And from January it will be a clear win for Remain. Can't wait for the new referendum
Unfortunately, the EU referendum isn't next January. Tough old life, eh? :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 10-11-18
I think in the spirit of the centenary of the armistice we should all put down our rifles, meet in no mans land, swap chocolate, ( the smokers can swap fags)and have a friendly " kick about"
With Tony Blairs head...
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 10-11-18
Quote: Unfortunately, the EU referendum isn't next January. Tough old life, eh?
And we won't be leaving the EU in March...... unless May gets a majority in the Commons for her 'deal', which is looking more unlikely by the day :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - nick crisp - 10-11-18
Jeez, that was a short armistice! :lol
Tbh, I wouldn't want to leave on her terms. I think that's one thing more and more from both sides are in agreement with. So leaving with no deal looks ever more likely.
Thankfully, whatever the foc happens, it'll make little to no difference to me.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 10-11-18
I think that would lead to PM resignation, vote of no confidence, General Election, and we're back to square one.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - nick crisp - 10-11-18
(10-11-18, 06:43 PM)mtread link Wrote: I think that would lead to PM resignation, vote of no confidence, General Election, and we're back to square one.
Daft, innit.
Thankfully, it still won't affect me much :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 11-11-18
The whole idea was daft in the first place. Done to silence the Tory right and UKIP once and for all. Except it massively backfired. All about internal Tory party infighting.
And here we are. A split nation with nobody happy....
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 11-11-18
thats probably true of most European countries now mate, and of course the USA. Guess its just a natural progression of the human race, twats that we are.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 11-11-18
Quote:The whole idea was daft in the first place. Done to silence the Tory right and UKIP once and for all. Except it massively backfired. All about internal Tory party infighting.Indeed. Absolute utter selfishness
And here we are. A split nation with nobody happy....
It was to pull the significant extreme right wing of the party in line, and yes kill UKIP. Cameron and his buddies didn’t think for one minute what would happen if they lost the subsequent referendum.
Quote:Hundreds of thousands, across many industries, as companies moved thier business to Europe and we were forced to privatise our state-owned enterprises, with only the NHS surviving the cherry pickingThis was one of the problems with the EU referendum. We’d had some 37 odd years of right wing neo liberal governments. Privatise everything, even schools and hospitals have been partially privatised through the PFI PPP debacles, social and care contracts privatised, our prisons privatised, social housing – everything privatised. The Tory dream of a flexible low wage economy. Our terms and conditions slashed, pay the employee what you can get away with and maximise profit at every opportunity. Over three decades of socialism for the rich.
None of it EU policy. This was all done by the Tories with New Labour carrying on their work.
So no wonder people were and are pissed off. We’ve been getting screwed for decades, even to the point we now have austerity and food banks for the hungry in nearly every major town across the country.
Given a ball to kick, well even people who had never ever voted before in their life came out registered to vote and kicked that ball hard.
Sadly we kicked the wrong ball. The EU is not to blame for our ills, our own governments screwed us.
BREXIT is simply a continuation of Thatcherism, the extreme right of the Tory Party is getting it’s way. They are going to finish the job she started, and you and I are going to pay the price.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - nick crisp - 11-11-18
I don't care. I'm with ogri. I want Brexit. Unfortunately for you, I got a vote too. Deal with it.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 11-11-18
Quote:I don't care. I'm with ogri. I want Brexit. Unfortunately for you, I got a vote too. Deal with it. [img alt=BREXIT job losses last week;
Michelin tyres Dundee. 845 jobs to go.
Schaeffler Plymouth and Llanelli. 500 jobs to go.
Guess they will just have to deal with it too.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - nick crisp - 11-11-18
Sorry mate, I have my own problems far worse than just having no job. But I got a vote. I want Brexit. I might cope if we don't get Brexit, but it's not a given.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 12-11-18
(09-11-18, 09:48 PM)VNA link Wrote: Corbyn is one of those rare folks of whom you all complain here does not exist. He is genuine.
That's true.
I had to do a double take to make sure, but he genuinely did wear a grey hoodie anorak with the hood hanging out and a red tie for the service of remembrance at The Cenotaph yesterday.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 12-11-18
So? He's also the only one in the group who hasn't sold arms to the Saudis.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 12-11-18
I'm agreeing with VNA. I'm not offering an opinion, merely making an observation.
The bit I don't understand is why he sings the National Anthem. Isn't he a republican?.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 12-11-18
He was miming. He was actually singing 'The Red Flag'
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 12-11-18
:lol