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Re: EU! - Frosties - 25-06-16
(25-06-16, 12:40 PM)mtread link Wrote: The EU wants us out straight away, and the Mayor of Calais wants to move the 'Jungle' over to Dover. Told you so.....
Immediate closure of the Channel Tunnel until "our" Border Control have full control over access to the tunnel and can prevent the influx of illegals :thumbup
Re: EU! - johnakay - 25-06-16
look like things are not going the way we expect it for leave voters....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1339162/pro-eu-mps-in-secret-plot-to-scupper-vote-to-leave-the-single-market/
Re: EU! - YamFazFan - 25-06-16
Does leaving mean we can buy two-strokes again?! :woot
Re: EU! - unfazed - 25-06-16
Because the EU law states that no country can be forced out of the EU eg. Scotland and Northern Ireland, both England and the Wales parliments will have to negotiate with both of these countries before it can happen and this could scupper any plans. They cannot change EU law until they are out and until then they have no choice but to operate within the law
Also the referendum was an advisory which means it does not have to be acted on. The people in England and Wales said they wanted Out of the EU and Scotland and Northern Ireland said the wanted to Remain in the EU.
Stalemate I would think. :eek
It would be better if you like us stopped coming in to the country unless they had jobs to go to, which most would not and are a drain on to easy to get welfare resources. Free movement yes but it does not say you cannot stop them if they have no jobs to go to. :rolleyes
Re: EU! - nick crisp - 25-06-16
(25-06-16, 08:00 PM)unfazed link Wrote: Because the EU law states that no country can be forced out of the EU eg. Scotland and Northern Ireland, both England and the Wales parliments will have to negotiate with both of these countries before it can happen and this could scupper any plans. The people in England and Wales said they wanted Out of the EU and Scotland and Northern Ireland said the wanted to Remain in the EU.
Stalemate I would think. :eek
Rubbish. The country in question is the UK. The UK has voted out. Whilst Scotland and N.I. are parts of the UK, that means they are out too.
If they wish to hold referendums to leave the UK, then they can negotiate to rejoin the EU once they have independence.
Re: EU! - Millietant - 25-06-16
(24-06-16, 10:44 PM)unfazed link Wrote: Forgive me lads , but how can it be democratic if only 2% less than half of those who voted wanted to remain in the EU? What it has done is divided the country and that is not something to be celebrating. Next thing is Scottish Independence and they look to go back in to the EU, There goes some of your main resources. If that happens Northern Ireland will follow suit or maybe reunite with the republic (god forbid, we have enough trouble looking after ourselves) :eek . There goes your United kingdom, the Great in Great Britain and the Union Jack dies a death. The EU funds for the major road upgrades in mid Wales pulled and then the death knell if Wales start thinking Independence.
It will be great for Ireland, the fact the UK left the EU as we will be the only English speaking country in the EU :woot which can only be to our advantage and a big cold wild sea around us to keep the unwanted out :lol
I wish you the best with increased Interest rates to prop up the Pound while it tries to regroup in an uncertain economy. :pokefun
Politics and the voting systems are never fair, except the part where everyone agrees on the "majority wins" and that is what OUR democracy is based on.
That's the way we do it and there were 4% more (2% more than half is still more than half) voters went for Leave. Under our way of doing things, that is democracy at workand that means Leave won fair and square. Because you don't like it, don't go claiming undemocratic - what is undemocratic is refusing to accept a democratically achieved result.
Had Remain won by 4%, I'm sure you wouldn't be on here spouting about it being undemocratic - and I for one wouldn't be shouting down the result, I'd be supporting the majority decision of my compatriots and then doing everything I could to make it work.
Re: EU! - positron - 25-06-16
(24-06-16, 11:50 PM)unfazed link Wrote: Taylor,
I know understand exactly how you feel, the last time I rang to report my faulty phone line , I had to ask to speak to someone who actually spoke english properly :lol as I had absolutely no idea what the person was saying nor they I, even asked where the call centre was, to be told Dublin :rolleyes to which I replied "seriously"
Becaus of this many work advertisements now state "must have fluent english"
My son lives and works in Wales and he was one of four who applied for his permanent job, when it was advertised, not one UK person applied for it even though it was advertised and readvertised for over 6 months.
Unfazed, nothing to contribute but just as story time.. I was the other side of that call once. I moved to Ireland from India, and while I was working in Castlebar (of all places!) as a Software Engineer, and went out of my way to support a project with RCH (because I love what they do) and got on the phone with them, and they were dead certain I am in a call center in Delhi (never been to Delhi myself) and generally went on about it for way too long. I was p1ssed, but meh, you learn to cope with this stuff after a while.
I now work for another IT firm in Dublin, and I've moved up enough ranks over the years and I have been involved in recruiting over 20 of current engineers. Since 2010 or so, everytime we put an add out it's .. crickets.. Naada. Then we get the usual recruitment agents pushing Polish or Spanish CVs. In fairness almost all Polish engineers we have taken in have been exceptional. Italian/Spanish engineers also generally good, but some bad ones. Over these years the amount of Irish CVs are truly negligible. I am not talking about poorly paid jobs either - my company is a very large multi-national and pays average market rates. Right now we are losing people left right and center. And the company response is to make teams in Easter Europe and Asia bigger than ever. That's just how it is, unfortunately.
Re: EU! - fazersharp - 25-06-16
The vote was won by outers and lost by inners that is it - end of. What we should all do now is unite and get behind the result - support it and make it work.
Re: EU! - Millietant - 26-06-16
(25-06-16, 10:47 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: The vote was won by outers and lost by inners that is it - end of. What we should all do now is unite and get behind the result - support it and make it work.
Absolutely !
Re: EU! - fazersharp - 26-06-16
I feel another general election will be called after a new conservative leader
Re: EU! - lew600fazer - 26-06-16
(25-06-16, 03:57 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=20295.msg235346#msg235346 date=1466862998]
[quote author=Slaninar link=topic=20295.msg235312#msg235312 date=1466839937]
Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the
mechanics German, the lovers Italian and it's all organised by the
Swiss. Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the
lover's Swiss, the police German and it's all organised by the Italians.
I have never agreed with you before , but you have got this right. :rollin
[/quote]
True. You are wrong most of the time.
[/quote]
I voted remain,
Re: EU! - VNA - 26-06-16
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Re: EU! - VNA - 26-06-16
Quote: The vote was won by outers and lost by inners that is it - end of. What we should all do now is unite and get behind the result - support it and make it work.
Well No. In fact there are two chances of that, one – none, and two – fuck all.
Firstly, remember why we had this referendum. It was to unite the conservative party in order to win a general election. It wasn’t because it was a good idea (it patently was not), or because the Prime Minister wanted to hold it, or because even a majority of MP’s wanted it.
Secondly, this is unprecedented. A lot of halfwits, who apparently had never in their lives before voted (and I’m not talking first time voters), registered to vote and voted leave. So I’ll explain what unprecedented means, it means we’ve never done this before, which in turns means nobody knows exactly how to do it.
Thirdly – what we do know. Two countries in our Union voted to LEAVE, two voted to REMAIN.
Now as some of you know I’m a Scot. Scotland voted decisively to REMAIN. Our government will do everything it can to keep Scotland in the EU. That means we won’t be cooperating with any UK withdrawal from the EU. Membership of the EU is written into the parliaments of Northern Ireland and Scotland as well as the Welsh assembly.
Scotland has 54 SNP MP’s at Westminster. They will vote against any legislation to leave the EU. I would expect the other 3 Scottish MPs to do likewise.
The dirty filthy gutter rag the Sun is for once correct. 490 out of 650 MPs in the commons are REMAIN MPs. For the UK to leave the EU they have to vote against their own strongly held beliefs and principles. And on what? A referendum that should never have been held.
So our Scottish MP’s will be voting against any legislation to LEAVE the EU, and they will be doing everything they can on the behalf of the Scottish people to get the other 433 pro EU MPs to do the same.
Some of you might not like it. But that my friends is how our democracy works.
So as the referendum was not legally binding, do not assume, for even one minute, that you will actually be leaving the EU.
Have a nice day BREXITers!
Re: EU! - Nath - 26-06-16
Not legally binding?
Why do you want Scotland to break away? What is it about been in the UK do Scotland really not like or want?
Re: EU! - slappy - 26-06-16
MP are not there to represent themselves, they are there to represent the people in their constituency, and it is about time they remembered that.
As for Scottish independence its odd that all my relatives still in Scotland don't want to split from the UK, most of them think the SNP wants to turn Scotland into a one party state.
Re: EU! - VNA - 26-06-16
Quote:MP are not there to represent themselves, they are there to represent the people in their constituency, and it is about time they remembered that.
No, MPs should represent the best interests of their constituents. As such, and rightly so, many will vote against any legislation put before the house that would remove the UK from the EU.
Quote:As for Scottish independence its odd that all my relatives still in Scotland don't want to split from the UK, most of them think the SNP wants to turn Scotland into a one party state.
For your information the SNP is the minority government of Scotland. It can only government with consensus. The Scottish Parliament is designed such that it should be impossible for any one party (in other words the SNP) to hold a majority. Such is the popularity of the SNP in Scotland that they have already achieved the impossible once – that was the last term. But as I said currently they are a minority government.
Whilst I am not a member of the SNP, I think I can assure you and your family that the SNP have no dictatorial ambitions.
Anyway, don’t forget BREXITers that we are still, today, members of the EU, and it will take one hell of a foccing effort to get us out.
Oh just a wee thought. Does anybody remember a couple of months ago Boris talking about using a LEAVE vote in order to negotiate a new membership deal with Europe?
Hmmmm.
Re: EU! - Oldgit - 26-06-16
aye they do--I was a party member for 22 years mate---and they are worse than the Labour party.
Re: EU! - johnakay - 26-06-16
[color=rgb(54, 88, 153)]Christopher Everard[/color][color=rgb(102, 102, 102)][/size]
MORE BBC LIES EXPOSED: £1 BRITISH POUND = 1.24 euros - that is 25% HIGHER than it was at the time of the 2015 General Election - the BBC are lying this morning[/color][color=rgb(102, 102, 102)][/size] - the value of the £1 three days ago was 1euro=79p RIGHT NOW is is 1euro=81p - a shift of just 2p which will be corrected as soon as Cameron buggers off. It has made BRITISH GOODS such as all our great sports cars - Caterham, Morgan, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Noble, Corsica's, Wilkins, XJ13s etc BETTER VALUE. It is the EURO which has CRASHED and will continue to CRASH because there is now a £361 MILLION POUND PER WEEK HOLE in the EU budget - yes, British people's taxes which have been illegally used to pay GERMAN PENSIONERS £449 PER WEEK when our Brits can't afford to eat nor heat. The BBC are trying to cook up a FAKE RECESSION - shout them down on Social Media.[/color]
Re: EU! - Bretty - 26-06-16
I think you'll find the value of the £ bombed.. but then so did the value of the €. So against the Euro we look ok, but against the rest of the world we are down.
Great conspiracy theory though. Don't believe all the s*** you read on the internet. Always be cynical, question everything, check and make your own opinion.
Re: EU! - Flooky - 26-06-16
I don't really know what all the fuss is about, I was around before we joined Europe and it was fine, we aint all gonna burst into flames if we go it alone. Scotland had a vote to be independent, it voted to stay with the UK, the UK had a vote to be independent it voted to leave EU.
that's democracy.. lets leave, get on with it and talk about motorbikes..