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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 13-01-19
If corbin is saying he will call for no confidence in the government and a general election if May's deal does not get voted through, then wont that mean that Conservatives are more inclined to vote it through for fear of an election contest they don't want.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - ogri48 - 13-01-19
(13-01-19, 07:19 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: If corbin is saying he will call for no confidence in the government and a general election if May's deal does not get voted through, then wont that mean that Conservatives are more inclined to vote it through for fear of an election contest they don't want.you'd think so, but I doubt it mate. Their own personal self serving agendas come before loyalty to party or country nowadays. All the latest polls seem to indicate the majority of the public just want out with Mays deal now, but I doubt that will sway them either
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 13-01-19
Quote:If corbin is saying he will call for no confidence in the government and a general election if May's deal does not get voted through, then wont that mean that Conservatives are more inclined to vote it through for fear of an election contest they don't want.Well no, because every single Tory will vote that they have confidence in Ms May. The DUP will vote that they have confidence in May. Labour will loose the no confidence vote.
Quote:Their own personal self serving agendas come before loyalty to party or country nowadays.MP’s have a duty to represent the best interest of their constituents. That's it.
Quote:All the latest polls seem to indicate the majority of the public just want out with Mays deal now, but I doubt that will sway them eitherI haven’t seen any polls that say that. And if that is the case (and I doubt it), it’s what people in England want but it certainly ain’t what people in Northern Ireland or Scotland want.
And let us not forget what May’s deal is. It is an agreement that allows us to continue to trade with the EU as members of the single market. However, we will be a rule taker, we will no longer have any say whatsoever in the market. It simply allows to continue to trade while we try to reach an agreement on our future trading arrangements. It’s a transitional deal. It is not a deal to leave the EU.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 13-01-19
Quote:I try to stay out of politics but I am really worried about Brexit not going ahead.(for whatever reason)Whereas a great many people are seriously worried that BREXIT may actually happen one day. That is whatever BRXIT is.
Quote:The UK is a democracy and people who voted to stay or leave should all agree that the vote should be honoured.The UK is a representative democracy. We elect people to govern in our best interest and take decisions on our behalf.
Further there are four countries in the UK. We are a sovereign union. 2 out of the 4 countreis in this union voted to REMAIN.
Quote:If it isn't then the whole system comes crashing down, and I think it will kick off big time. (maybe rightly so ).Whereas as what we are actually seeing is a representative democracy acting as it should. MP’s are ignoring their party whips and acting in the best interests of their constituents.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 13-01-19
Quote: and therefore attracts VAT which -------that's rights go's to the EUErr no it doesn't. It's Customs Duties which go to the EU. That's because of the EU wide free trade area. A small proportion of all VAT collected goes to the EU. That's how they calculate each member state's relative contribution. Before rebates of course.
Get it right :rolleyes
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 13-01-19
(13-01-19, 08:17 PM)mtread link Wrote:My yellow vest post was tongue in cheek and was meant as a joke - you have to go and suck the joy out of everything.Quote: and therefore attracts VAT which -------that's rights go's to the EUErr no it doesn't. It's Customs Duties which go to the EU. That's because of the EU wide free trade area. A small proportion of all VAT collected goes to the EU. That's how they calculate each member state's relative contribution. Before rebates of course.
Get it right :rolleyes
You say a small proportion but it did add up to between 15% and 21% of the EUs yearly revenue income between 2000 and 2014
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 13-01-19
Then you should have put a wink/smiley/chuckle after! You told me off once for not doing that
Yes I've just Googled the same pages as you. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 13-01-19
Quote:Just to suck a bit more non-existent joy out of your non-existent unfunny joke;I just like to point out that before we had VAT we had the much more complicated and costly to administer Purchase Tax.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 13-01-19
Quote:All the latest polls seem to indicate the majority of the public just want out with Mays deal now, but I doubt that will sway them eitherI've just google poll of polls etc, and I can't come up with anything like that.
This is what I am coming up with;
There is the whatukthinks.org complied poll of polls results from polls asking common questions.
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union? Result as of 11[sup]th[/sup] January.
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REMAIN – 47%LEAVE 45%....
If there was another referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, how would you vote?.
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Result as of 4[sup]th[/sup] January.
REMAIN – 46%LEAVE – 39%....
Poll of all phone pollsREMAIN – 62%LEAVE – 38%VNA’s poll of all the polls poll
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REMAIN – 52%LEAVE – 41%
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 13-01-19
(13-01-19, 09:22 PM)mtread link Wrote: Then you should have put a wink/smiley/chuckle after! You told me off once for not doing that:uhuh Yes you are right :eek I suppose I should of :o but no one other than a rabid remainer :evil would thought :think that I was seriously going to open a yellow vest shop :rolleyes so I did not think It needed one :pokefun
mokin :kiss :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 13-01-19
Quote: I just like to point out that before we had VAT we had the much more complicated and costly to administer Purchase Tax.VAT replaced Purchase Tax and Selective Employment Tax (SET). To be fair VAT is probably more costly and certainly more complicated than PT. However VAT brings in a lot more revenue than PT ever did, even allowing for inflation. But of course that is why Income Tax and Corporation Tax rates are so low. VAT is making up the difference, paying for NHS, Defence, Education etc etc.
There I go, sucking the joy out of everything with my specialist subject
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 13-01-19
(13-01-19, 09:35 PM)VNA link Wrote: REMAIN – 52%LEAVE – 41%I just googled how many people in the uk believes in aliens and it is also 52% (u-gov)
Your above figures only add up to 93% does that mean that perhaps the missing 7% have been abducted by the aliens that the 52% believe in ( :lol ) smiley for mtread
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 13-01-19
(13-01-19, 09:53 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote:There I go, sucking the joy out of everything with my specialist subject
(13-01-19, 09:22 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote:Yes I've just Googled the same pages as you. .
Quote:You said that you googled it. Or is that what constitutes as a specialist
------- DAMIT i can not get my own words out of this quote box
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 13-01-19
This is all getting a bit too civilised for my liking.....Where's my stick.....time to do some cage rattling. :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 13-01-19
Quote:I just googled how many people in the uk believes in aliens and it is also 52% (u-gov)
Your above figures only add up to 93% does that mean that perhaps the missing 7% have been abducted by the aliens that the 52% believe in ( :lol ) smiley for mtread
Let me see if I can help;
[glow=red,2,300]Leave – 41%
REMAIN – 52%
Don’t know – 7%
[/glow]
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 13-01-19
Quote: but no one other than a rabid remainer would thought that I was seriously going to open a yellow vest shop
I had no doubt whatsoever you were going to open a yellow vest shop. If only I'd been wearing one when that dog bit me :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 14-01-19
(13-01-19, 04:40 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:I'm sure it was not general comment about the majority of Muslims,But it seems to be perfectly OK on this forum to repeatedly insinuate just that. Not only that but praise for those who intimidate ethnic minorities goes largely unchallenged.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - Flooky - 14-01-19
(13-01-19, 08:13 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:I try to stay out of politics but I am really worried about Brexit not going ahead.(for whatever reason)Whereas a great many people are seriously worried that BREXIT may actually happen one day. That is whatever BRXIT is.
Quote:The UK is a democracy and people who voted to stay or leave should all agree that the vote should be honoured.The UK is a representative democracy. We elect people to govern in our best interest and take decisions on our behalf.
Further there are four countries in the UK. We are a sovereign union. 2 out of the 4 countreis in this union voted to REMAIN.
Quote:If it isn't then the whole system comes crashing down, and I think it will kick off big time. (maybe rightly so ).Whereas as what we are actually seeing is a representative democracy acting as it should. MP’s are ignoring their party whips and acting in the best interests of their constituents.
As someone who has an obvious passion for politics, you should be more worried than most if the will of the people is not followed. What happens next time ? best of three ? people don't vote ? (whats the point ). just because the result doesn't suit doesn't mean its to be ignored. We should all hope this goes through cos if it doesn't its the sort of thing that causes massive unrest.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 14-01-19
Emergency Cabinet meeting today in advance of tomorrow's vote.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 14-01-19
Quote:just because the result doesn't suit doesn't mean its to be ignored. We should all hope this goes through cos if it doesn't its the sort of thing that causes massive unrest.
Flooky. I don’t think we should ever loose sight of why this referendum occurred. It was offered to the country by the Tory party as a means to unite it’s MP’s in order to win an election. They decided to gamble our membership of the EU in order to win an election. They won the election, but gamble has exploded.
You say you hope this goes through. But then what exactly is going to go through? With just a few weeks to go nobody yet knows what BREXIT is.
Again,you say we should all hope this goes through, whatever that is. But do you really think people in Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to REMAIN all want this to go through?