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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 11:08 PM)VNA link Wrote: If you mean the EU
Yes the EU.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 11:09 PM)VNA link Wrote:
![[Image: DwVS316WsAAbtIs.jpg:large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwVS316WsAAbtIs.jpg:large)
Are you sure that's a stopwatch in his hand?. Looks suspiciously like a small bottle of brandy to me :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 11:08 PM)VNA link Wrote:It is pretty much the stated direction of the EU with integration deepening. Junker wants a bigger EU budget and his dream is to have a directly-elected president of the EU.In his recent state of the union speech Junker appealed to MEPs and heads of government to give the EU the powers and characteristics traditionally restricted to states.Quote:The EU is an almost never ending project towards creating a European super-state and all that entails.That’s just meaningless rhetoric. In any case the EU is never going to become a super state. And if you want to guarantee that such a fantasy never happens, well stay in so you can veto what will never be proposed.
The EU wants its own foreign policy with decisions made on the basis of a qualified majority vote in which the will of 55% of member states would win the day. So our so called "veto" is an impotent joke. And path to a superstate is not one leap that can be vetoed but a series of smaller steps leading to the final goal.
Even Juncker himself has conceded that the EU was “imperfect”.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 08-01-19
Quote:Quote from: VNA on Today at 10:08:56 PM<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>The EU is an almost never ending project towards creating a European super-state and all that entails.</blockquote>That’s just meaningless rhetoric. In any case the EU is never going to become a super state. And if you want to guarantee that such a fantasy never happens, well stay in so you can veto what will never be proposed.Who doesn’t want a bigger budget.
</blockquote>It is pretty much the stated direction of the EU with integration deepening. Junker wants a bigger EU budget and his dream is to have a directly-elected president of the EU.In his recent state of the union speech Junker appealed to MEPs and heads of government to give the EU the powers and characteristics traditionally restricted to states.
The EU wants its own foreign policy with decisions made on the basis of a qualified majority vote in which the will of 55% of member states would win the day. So our so called "veto" is an impotent joke. And path to a superstate is not one leap that can be vetoed but a series of smaller steps leading to the final goal.
Even Juncker himself has conceded that the EU was “imperfect”. « Last Edit: Today at 11:00:58 PM »
directly-elected president of the EU?
But that’s what you want. Isn’t it? Or can you not now make up your mind.
Juncker expressed many hopes and visons in that speech, as is his right, and a lot of it good stuff too.
But
1. what are these powers and characteristics traditionally restricted to states
2. How do you think that is going to be agreed?
The EU comprises of 28 members. The EU is it’s members. I don’t think you’ll get one member to agree to a majority vote forgein policy never mind 28. Of course whatever that is. Juncker can dream all he wants.
So you are saying that you want to leave the EU, for reasons concerning issues that have yet to happen, and quite frankly never will happen. Not to mention the only way you can guarantee that, (I can't believe I'm saying this :lol ) what is not going to happen, is not going to happen, is by continued membership.The VETO.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 08-01-19
You say these things will 'never happen', but history has proved that the once unimaginable integration has indeed happened and continues apace.
Whoever could have imagined at the inception of the EEC that we would be where we are now?.
If that's what you're happy with fair enough. Not all of us are though. We had a referendum on it and it was rejected.
I'm surprised that someone who believes so strongly in the independence of countries within the UK is however happy to be shackled to the EU.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - tommyardin - 08-01-19
Don't you just love rhetoric, hot air and second guessing.
Me or you shooting off your/my big mouth and falling out with each other will not make one jot or tittle of difference.
As the old saying goes 'Opinions are like Arseholes everybody has got one' and we are all different in our similarities.
I was watching Mrs May on the TV tonight and listening to her, not just what she was saying, but her tone and watching her mannerisms, I predict if she fails and I sadly believe she will (She has very few supporters where it matters) she will have a complete breakdown.
Like a lamb to the slaughter. :'(
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - tommyardin - 08-01-19
Just to lighten it up a bit :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 08-01-19
No the EU isn't perfect
The UK is far from perfect
My Local Council is not perfect
My Badminton Club isn't perfect
I/we can't decide all the rules.
As VNA said, if you want all the same trade agreements with the EU as before, you need to join a Customs Union with them, either within or outside of the EU. Whichever it is you need to accept a bunch of rules, otherwise it doesn't work.
So if we want a trade deal but be outside of the EU, we go from 9.7% to 0%.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 08-01-19
Quote:she will have a complete breakdown.She doesn't care. It doesn't effect her. All she ever wanted to do was play at being PM.
Don't be taken in by these actors.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 08-01-19
Quote: Just to lighten it up a bit:thumbup COYS
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 08-01-19
Quote:So if we want a trade deal but be outside of the EU, we go from 9.7% to 0%.Or 100% (veto) to 0% (No Veto)
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 08-01-19
Quote:Whoever could have imagined at the inception of the EEC that we would be where we are now?.I know, it’s amazing. A bit sad though that we’ve spent 40 years building this with our EU partners (all 27 of them – who would have ever thought!), we have been key architects in the whole thing, and now, hoodwinked by a bunch of charlatans, we could be about to throw it all away.
Quote:If that's what you're happy with fair enough. Not all of us are though. We had a referendum on it and it was rejected.
Yamfazfan, but like Fazersharp, you moan about unelected bureaucrats, but yet when one of those so called unelected bureaucrats suggests (perhaps having taken stock of some peoples concerns) that he be directly elected, the BREXITEERS express horror and revulsion.
The trowth is tha youse dinnae ken whit youse want. But youse dae need somewan tae wyte. And youse will wyte whom ye huv been telt tae wyte.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 08-01-19
Quote: I was watching Mrs May on the TV tonight and listening to her, not just what she was saying, but her tone and watching her mannerisms, I predict if she fails and I sadly believe she will (She has very few supporters where it matters) she will have a complete breakdown.
Like a lamb to the slaughter.
The woman who as Home Office Minister, created a 'hostile environment' which deported genuine British Citizens :thumbdown
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - celticdog - 08-01-19
(08-01-19, 01:43 AM)VNA link Wrote: The trowth is tha youse dinnae ken whit youse want. But youse dae need somewan tae wyte. And youse will wyte whom ye huv been telt tae wyte.
For the benefit of those who don't read old Scots
The truth is don't know what you want. but you do need someone to blame. And you will blame who you have been told to blame.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 08-01-19
(08-01-19, 01:01 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: Me or you shooting off your/my big mouth and falling out with each other
You speak for yourself. Oh you are :lol .
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 08-01-19
(08-01-19, 01:01 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: Don't you just love rhetoric, hot air and second guessing.
Me or you shooting off your/my big mouth and falling out with each other will not make one jot or tittle of difference.
As the old saying goes 'Opinions are like Arseholes everybody has got one' and we are all different in our similarities.
I was watching Mrs May on the TV tonight and listening to her, not just what she was saying, but her tone and watching her mannerisms, I predict if she fails and I sadly believe she will (She has very few supporters where it matters) she will have a complete breakdown.
Like a lamb to the slaughter. :'(
Yep more pearls of wisdom from the Bard Of The Bricks :lol
Keep them coming :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 08-01-19
(08-01-19, 01:22 AM)mtread link Wrote: As VNA said, if you want all the same trade agreements with the EU as before, you need to join a Customs Union with them, either within or outside of the EU. Whichever it is you need to accept a bunch of rules, otherwise don't join, or leave the club if you don't like the rules and join another club where you do like the rules, there is a much bigger club called WTO.Fixed it for you
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 08-01-19
(08-01-19, 09:44 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=24678.msg290206#msg290206 date=1546905673]
Don't you just love rhetoric, hot air and second guessing.
Me or you shooting off your/my big mouth and falling out with each other will not make one jot or tittle of difference.
As the old saying goes 'Opinions are like Arseholes everybody has got one' and we are all different in our similarities.
I was watching Mrs May on the TV tonight and listening to her, not just what she was saying, but her tone and watching her mannerisms, I predict if she fails and I sadly believe she will (She has very few supporters where it matters) she will have a complete breakdown.
Like a lamb to the slaughter. :'(
Yep more pearls of wisdom from the Bard Of The Bricks :lol
Keep them coming :lol
[/quote] :rollin BOTB
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 08-01-19
Quote: a much bigger club called WTOWhich is a bit like standing in the street, when the bouncers have chucked you out of the other clubs because you're too pissed to know what you're doing
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 08-01-19
(08-01-19, 11:10 AM)mtread link Wrote:Nah ----getting lost now with that oneQuote: a much bigger club called WTOWhich is a bit like standing in the street, when the bouncers have chucked you out of the other clubs because you're too pissed to know what you're doing