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Re: The Jock vote - Farjo - 16-09-14
:lol The whole thread is a hijack! Locksmith just wanted to know how the result would affect him
Interesting that you're happy with the anti-muslim hijack but not my throw-away comment on English :\
Re: The Jock vote - JoeRock - 16-09-14
Lloyds and Bank of Scotland have now confirmed that in the event of independence, they're going to move their offices to London.
Just how a country of 5 million people thinks its going to survive entirely on a few gallons of oil, without much else of an economy I don't know.
London and the south east would have a better chance of independence!
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 16-09-14
Quote:It was the Solid Trade Unions that fucked the country up in the first place. Upper Clyde Ship Builders, for years with their strikes , late delivery of ships and build quality was a fucking joke. Trust me I can comment on the quality of ships built on the Clyde , Belfast and also the Tyne ship yards absolute shite.
Do you wanna ken a country that has Solid Trade Unions? Germany. It has a strong unionised labour force, some of the best terms and working conditions in the world. And you know what, they protected their industry. Think of cars, VW, AUDI, BMW, Porsche. Wages terms and conditions that workers in the UK can only dream of now.
Sir John Harvey Jones, said, I think;
There is no such thing as bad industrial relations - only bad management.
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 17-09-14
VNA , The big difference with the Germans is they had to rebuild their country after the war , as did we , The difference was they knew what they were doing. The cars you mentioned are all quality products. The Germans take a pride in what they do. For years we just produced shite.
Surely one of the best strikes to take place in the UK car industry was the FORD Plant at Halewood on Merseyside, I think they went on strike because there were to many cats running wild around the factory.
Thankfully we now seem to have decent industrail relatiions in the UK,, The car industry is going from strength to strength, both management and the workforce realise they have to produce a decent product on budget and on time.
I have to admit though yesterdays statement by the 3 muppets, that if there is a NO vote they will give additionally powers to the Scottish Parliment. How fecking condesending is that? To me that smacks of bribery and also an admission that perhaps they accept the playing field needs to be levelled some what.
I would have a lot more respect if the 3 men making this pledge actually had any standing/respect in the UK as a whole, Nick Clegg, David Cameron, Miliband is such a statesman I cannot even remember his fist name
Re: The Jock vote - Pat - 17-09-14
(16-09-14, 11:35 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:It was the Solid Trade Unions that fucked the country up in the first place. Upper Clyde Ship Builders, for years with their strikes , late delivery of ships and build quality was a fucking joke. Trust me I can comment on the quality of ships built on the Clyde , Belfast and also the Tyne ship yards absolute shite.
Do you wanna ken a country that has Solid Trade Unions? Germany. It has a strong unionised labour force, some of the best terms and working conditions in the world. And you know what, they protected their industry. Think of cars, VW, AUDI, BMW, Porsche. Wages terms and conditions that workers in the UK can only dream of now.
Sir John Harvey Jones, said, I think;
There is no such thing as bad industrial relations - only bad management.
Ironic that in your defence of the workers, you cite someone that turfed a third of the ICI workforce onto the dole in order to boost ICI's profits....
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 17-09-14
(17-09-14, 12:12 AM)Pat link Wrote: [quote author=VNA link=topic=14658.msg166733#msg166733 date=1410906959]
Quote:It was the Solid Trade Unions that fucked the country up in the first place. Upper Clyde Ship Builders, for years with their strikes , late delivery of ships and build quality was a fucking joke. Trust me I can comment on the quality of ships built on the Clyde , Belfast and also the Tyne ship yards absolute shite.
Do you wanna ken a country that has Solid Trade Unions? Germany. It has a strong unionised labour force, some of the best terms and working conditions in the world. And you know what, they protected their industry. Think of cars, VW, AUDI, BMW, Porsche. Wages terms and conditions that workers in the UK can only dream of now.
Sir John Harvey Jones, said, I think;
There is no such thing as bad industrial relations - only bad management.
Ironic that in your defence of the workers, you cite someone that turfed a third of the ICI workforce onto the dole in order to boost ICI's profits....
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Agreed, instead of trying to compete we just accepted defeat and the industries vanished over to Korea, Vietnam and even Japan
Re: The Jock vote - fireblake - 17-09-14
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I'm having a wee dram to show solidarity to my Scottish friends. I hope the vote goes whatever way you want it. All the best. Mickey
Re: The Jock vote - mickvp - 17-09-14
Man after my own heart Mickey. Think I'll join you in a wee half tonight :lol
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 17-09-14
This was taken when I was visiting my brother who lives in Crosshouse not far from Kilmarnock.
Which one is looking for light at the end of the tunnel? Or could it be if you vote YES one could get shit on.
Re: The Jock vote - esetest - 17-09-14
If your definition of decent industrial relations is if you don't like it foc off there is all ways some else to do it and probably cheaper , then we are all in the shit .
Re: The Jock vote - His Dudeness - 17-09-14
I just hope the people voting vote whatever way they feel is right and that they aren't scared into going against what they believe in whatever it is. It would obviously suit everyone else if ye stayed together because it's stability but it's not about everyone else it's about what the Scottish want for their country so good luck to them. It's a tough decision.
Re: The Jock vote - chris.biker - 17-09-14
Only taken a glancing interest in this and had no idea which way I would vite if I was Scottish but I have just been listening to the news and the chap mentioned that the voter total in Scotland is only 4% of the total number of voters in the UK. This statement set my mind racing and a quick look at the population figures on line my maths puts the scottish population at 8% of the Uk. So having just watched a chap on a ferry delivering one lot of ballet papers and talk of the votes being collected by airplanes it strikes me it is a large country to be giving the full Uk services ( roads' Hospital services' postal system etc) the per head could be very high. I think if I was Scottish I would have to be very pissed off with the UK to want to risk breaking away.
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 17-09-14
(17-09-14, 06:27 PM)chris.biker link Wrote: Only taken a glancing interest in this and had no idea which way I would vite if I was Scottish but I have just been listening to the news and the chap mentioned that the voter total in Scotland is only 4% of the total number of voters in the UK. This statement set my mind racing and a quick look at the population figures on line my maths puts the scottish population at 8% of the Uk. So having just watched a chap on a ferry delivering one lot of ballet papers and talk of the votes being collected by airplanes it strikes me it is a large country to be giving the full Uk services ( roads' Hospital services' postal system etc) the per head could be very high. I think if I was Scottish I would have to be very pissed off with the UK to want to risk breaking away.
Well said Chris
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 17-09-14
Quote:Thankfully we now seem to have decent industrail relatiions in the UK,, The car industry is going from strength to strength, both management and the workforce realise they have to produce a decent product on budget and on time.
Pretty much the same workers, the same unions but has changed is the management. The car plants in the UK, generally have management that respect the workforce.
Which brings us full circle. Tomorrow the establishment of The United Kingdom will lose a big chunk of their union and it will be primarily down to arrogance and a lack of respect.
Re: The Jock vote - peterjca - 17-09-14
(17-09-14, 06:27 PM)chris.biker link Wrote: Only taken a glancing interest in this and had no idea which way I would vite if I was Scottish but I have just been listening to the news and the chap mentioned that the voter total in Scotland is only 4% of the total number of voters in the UK. This statement set my mind racing and a quick look at the population figures on line my maths puts the scottish population at 8% of the Uk. So having just watched a chap on a ferry delivering one lot of ballet papers and talk of the votes being collected by airplanes it strikes me it is a large country to be giving the full Uk services ( roads' Hospital services' postal system etc) the per head could be very high. I think if I was Scottish I would have to be very pissed off with the UK to want to risk breaking away.
And yet you're happy for a handful of eton toffs and banksters to hold the UK's 60 million population to ransom?
Re: The Jock vote - Simon.Pieman - 17-09-14
(17-09-14, 06:42 PM)VNA link Wrote: Tomorrow the establishment of The United Kingdom will lose a big chunk of their union and it will be primarily down to arrogance and a lack of respect.
I think a large chunk of the union will leave Scotland in droves to live South of the border.
Good luck with whatever currency you end up with by the way. Whatever it is will devalue nicely and soon enough I'll be looking to buy another holiday home in Tomintoul for next to nothing.
I might be sounding unkind, but then I apparently have a lack of 'respect' so I might as well.
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 17-09-14
Quote:I think a large chunk of the union will leave Scotland in droves to live South of the border.
I doubt it. But is for sure, many more will want to live in Scotland. And many Scots will to come hame to help build their nation.
Quote:Good luck with whatever currency you end up with by the way.
It will be the pound, it will be most likely in a currency union.
Quote:Whatever it is will devalue nicely and soon enough I'll be looking to buy another holiday home in Tomintoul for next to nothing.
And that's why it will be a currency union, as no currency union risks devaluation or worse still a run on the pound.
If you look up the McCrone report you'll might understand why most in Scotland don't want their own currency.
Quote:I might be sounding unkind, but then I apparently have a lack of 'respect' so I might as well.
Ah didnae ken you are a Bullingdon Club boy.
Re: The Jock vote - chris.biker - 17-09-14
(17-09-14, 07:21 PM)peterjca link Wrote: [quote author=chris.biker link=topic=14658.msg166844#msg166844 date=1410974865]
Only taken a glancing interest in this and had no idea which way I would vite if I was Scottish but I have just been listening to the news and the chap mentioned that the voter total in Scotland is only 4% of the total number of voters in the UK. This statement set my mind racing and a quick look at the population figures on line my maths puts the scottish population at 8% of the Uk. So having just watched a chap on a ferry delivering one lot of ballet papers and talk of the votes being collected by airplanes it strikes me it is a large country to be giving the full Uk services ( roads' Hospital services' postal system etc) the per head could be very high. I think if I was Scottish I would have to be very pissed off with the UK to want to risk breaking away.
And yet you're happy for a handful of eton toffs and banksters to hold the UK's 60 million population to ransom?
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I get your point, politics I am not interested in doing the job myself so its done by others, there is a lot could be said on this point alone the only thing I will say is the BRITISH have a habit of fighting back if politicians go to far in the wrong direction. The saddest thing in my opinion is how the British population have allowed themselves to be so stupid and unrealistic with their money, the easy credit so you can have it today sod tomorrow. The result is that the UK is in debt so deep it will take generations to clear it, no one is even trying. So Scotland votes for independence if they get it I hope the funds are there to pay for the life style they wish for.
If they have it sussed they will pay high taxes and go with out while they build up an infrastructure that produces free energy Ie wind turbines, Hydro, wave and tidal electric generating plants. this will produce wealth and once it rolls in start spend. I wonder how that will go down as an idea?
I also believe that the UK is allowed to continue in its indebted state because it is so stable it is a preferred home for the rich and wealthy, lets hope if I m right that it stays stable.
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 18-09-14
A sign o things tae come;
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Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 18-09-14
Thankfully the yes vote will take a pounding today and this stupid idea of scottish independence will be a thing of the past.
The only way to is to vote NO