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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 07-01-19
Quote: Its a contract to provide and nothing has been handed over----- no providy - no moneAnd nothing will be handed over. It's all a bluff because 'No Deal' just won't happen
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 06:49 PM)mtread link Wrote: Well she's wasting £13.8 million on a ferry company
(07-01-19, 07:15 PM)mtread link Wrote:So I am really confused now - can you tell me which one its it - is she wasting £13.9m or not handing over £13.8mQuote: Its a contract to provide and nothing has been handed over----- no providy - no monenothing will be handed over.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
You know I’m still absolutely dumbfounded by the whole thing.
The Tories promised a referendum on EU membership in order to unite their party so they could win an election.
They win the election and uphold their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership.
2 out of the 4 countries in the union vote to Remain, but England and Wales vote to LEAVE.
The Prime Minister resigns.
The Tories decide BREXIT it is, even though haven’t yet figured out what that actually means – a red white and blue BREXIT is what we will get – so we are told.
The official opposition (or Muppets) dutifully vote with the government to trigger article 50, even though there is no plan.
May realising she can’t get any sort of BREXIT through parliament, and sensing that Labour is weak with Jeremey Corbyn at the helm, launches a surprise general election with her ‘strong and stable’ soundbite.
A massive landslide victory will allow May to get the job done, as she pleases, and without opposition.
But what actually happens is May throws away her commons majority and sells out to the DUP to keep the Tory boat afloat.
As a last desperate act to get the job done May decides she was actually elected President of UK and that parliament will have no say in BREXIT. Naturally she falls flat on her face.
By the end of last year, she had her deal ready to present to parliament and a date for the vote was set.
Clearly not able to win the vote she pulls it.
The date has now been set for 15[sup]th[/sup] January. Defeat is almost certain.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
Also, what does all this actually boil down to at the end of the day.
It’s a trade negotiation.
So what are trade negotiations?
They are negotiations that set common rules in order to smooth the flow of trade. The intention is to increase trade to the benefit of both parties.
So what is different about BREXIT?
It’s probably the first trade negotiations in the history of modern economics were the goal at the end of the day is to make trade more difficult. It’s moving from an unrestricted single market, to something not quite as good. Inevitably there will be an impact on trade.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 07-01-19
If the whole EU project was just about trade like how it all started out as then that would be just fine but its not is it.Perhaps the whole EU experiment / project needs to collapse and we start again with 10 or so countries as just a group of trading partners dump the EU parliment and leave it as that.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 07:31 PM)VNA link Wrote: You know I’m still absolutely dumbfounded by the whole thing.You have actually summed it up very well - for once.
The Tories promised a referendum on EU membership in order to unite their party so they could win an election.
They win the election and uphold their manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU membership.
2 out of the 4 countries in the union vote to Remain, but England and Wales vote to LEAVE.
The Prime Minister resigns.
The Tories decide BREXIT it is, even though haven’t yet figured out what that actually means – a red white and blue BREXIT is what we will get – so we are told.
The official opposition (or Muppets) dutifully vote with the government to trigger article 50, even though there is no plan.
May realising she can’t get any sort of BREXIT through parliament, and sensing that Labour is weak with Jeremey Corbyn at the helm, launches a surprise general election with her ‘strong and stable’ soundbite.
A massive landslide victory will allow May to get the job done, as she pleases, and without opposition.
But what actually happens is May throws away her commons majority and sells out to the DUP to keep the Tory boat afloat.
As a last desperate act to get the job done May decides she was actually elected President of UK and that parliament will have no say in BREXIT. Naturally she falls flat on her face.
By the end of last year, she had her deal ready to present to parliament and a date for the vote was set.
Clearly not able to win the vote she pulls it.
The date has now been set for 15[sup]th[/sup] January. Defeat is almost certain.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
Quote:You have actually summed it up very well - for once.Well yes, of course I have. And what is it? A complete waste of time.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 07-01-19
Quote: I am really confused now - can you tell me which one its it - is she wasting £13.9m or not handing over £13.8mNo you're right.
She's already wasted £50k on a lorry stacking system that won't be used.
But she's saved £13.8 million on a contract for extra shipping, that won't be used.
Perhaps we could put it towards the NHS and write that on the side of a bus :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
Quote:If the whole EU project was just about trade like how it all started out as then that would be just fine but its not is it.Perhaps the whole EU experiment / project needs to collapse and we start again with 10 or so countries as just a group of trading partners dump the EU parliment and leave it as that.But you still can't tell us what your issue with it is fazersharp.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 07-01-19
Quote: You have actually summed it up very well - for once.Just missed out a couple of important points :
Tory Hard Brexiteers take ages to get 48 signatures to try to oust May, then lose the vote 117/200.
Tory party is still as divided as it was at step 1.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 07:58 PM)VNA link Wrote:EVERYTHING except being part of a group of trading partners.Quote:If the whole EU project was just about trade like how it all started out as then that would be just fine but its not is it.Perhaps the whole EU experiment / project needs to collapse and we start again with 10 or so countries as just a group of trading partners dump the EU parliment and leave it as that.But you still can't tell us what your issue with it is fazersharp.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
Quote:EVERYTHING except being part of a group of trading partners.Which is?
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 07-01-19
You often hear The EU saying how The UK can't just cherry pick all the good bits of membership (or words to that effect).
That must mean there's some crap as well then?.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
I think the quote is;
“Being a member of The European Union comes with rights and benefits, third countries cannot have the same rights and benefits, since they are not subject to the same obligations.”
“The single market and it’s full freedoms are indivisible, cherry picking is not an option."
Michel Barnier
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - fazersharp - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 09:31 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: You often hear The EU saying how The UK can't just cherry pick all the good bits of membership (or words to that effect).I think even the most hardened remainers agree that the EU is not all perfect. But they think somehow they can improve it with their 9.7% influence. There is no changing the EU, leavers have woken up to this fact.
That must mean there's some crap as well then?.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
Quote:I think even the most hardened remainers agree that the EU is not all perfect.Perhaps. But unlike you you, they might just know what it is they don't like.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 07-01-19
(06-01-19, 09:53 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: You hear that mtread ? I'm the referee.....that means, I'm the good so I get to be Clint Eastwood.
Dazza, You might be Clint Eastwood though, he's a friend of Trump.
Ahh, Donald Trump.....What a magnificent gentleman he is.
I hear he's selling rice to the Chinese..... That's like selling ice to the Eskimos :lol
I think the EU is jealous that his plans to build a wall will out "Trump"
the one built along the Turkish border......Funded by.......The EU.Good to know where your money is being spent
Of course, you can't build a wall, it's racist ...it's Fascist......they're just fucking cunts.... :grumble
Oh no, I'm starting to sound like VNA :lol
http://www.iamawake.co/the-eu-funded-wall-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about-turkey-syria/
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 07-01-19
(07-01-19, 10:13 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=24678.msg290191#msg290191 date=1546893100]I think even the most hardened remainers agree that the EU is not all perfect. But they think somehow they can improve it with their 9.7% influence. There is no changing the EU, leavers have woken up to this fact.
You often hear The EU saying how The UK can't just cherry pick all the good bits of membership (or words to that effect).
That must mean there's some crap as well then?.
[/quote]
The EU is an almost never ending project towards creating a European super-state and all that entails.
Some people are happy with that. I'm not.
One thing's for sure. They're right hacked off that we're getting out of it all. Bye bye, missing you already (not) lol.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
Quote:The EU is an almost never ending project towards creating a European super-state and all that entails.That’s just meaningless rhetoric. In any case the EU is never going to become a super state. And if you want to guarantee that such a fantasy never happens, well stay in so you can veto what will never be proposed.
Quote:Some people are happy with that. I'm not.You are not happy about something that ain’t gonna happen.
That’s interesting.
Quote:One thing's for sure. They're right hacked off that we're getting out of it all.If you mean the EU, well of course they are not. But at the end of the day it’s gonna hurt us a heck of a lot more than it’s gonna hurt them. If we are really determined to do something stupid, well there ain’t much they can do to stop us.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 07-01-19
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