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Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 14-09-14
Quote:I mean, for Salmond, its all about him, and what he can do to further himself.
I don't think so. I don't buy into that at all. No he's not a Tommy Sheridan or a George Galloway, he's not some egotistical maniac. Nor is he elitist or seek the limelight. He's not interested in celebrity, just doing his job.
You know the whole might of the UK media have been trying to shoot this fox for over two decades now. That's two decades of full on media abuse, two decades of scratching around try to destroy one man. You don't survive that unless you have some real integrity.
My prediction would be post YES vote, Wee Eck will lead the negotiations. He'll then stand down. Wee Nikki will then lead the SNP.
Of course the SNP will have a heck of a job holding itself together post YES. Many a matter of conscience has been put aside, many a compromise, in order to move forward together and deliver this referendum.
The kind of people that are in the SNP, they do have discipline, incredible discipline, but such matters of conscience will only lie low for so long.
Re: The Jock vote - richfzs - 14-09-14
Well, maybe - you're naturally closer to it than I am.
I still get the feeling though, that if the vote is Yes, it will be despite Salmond, not because of him. Of course, politics should be about the policies not the people - but sadly that's not how the reality is, born out in your leaflet mentioning Salmond 11 times. I don't like him, but then I don't like Sturgeon either (or Cameron, or Miliband). Guess I just don't like politicians :lol
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 14-09-14
If the vote is NO this issue should not be allowed to raise it's head again for another 50 years and that directive should come from the democrtically elected government of the UK. The money this has cost is just stupid the effect on the GBP in the markets is proof how unsettling this issue is.
I am surprised the Queen has not weighed into this debate, after all she is the one person most people hold in high regard.
Re: The Jock vote - Tmation - 14-09-14
Salmond and Sturgeon, this whole things seems a bit fishy to me :pokefun
Whatever happens, there will be millions of people unhappy on Friday morning as the vote is 50/50 by most polls.
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 14-09-14
Quote:If the vote is NO this issue should not be allowed to raise it's head again for another 50 years and that directive should come from the democrtically elected government of the UK.
Presumably you are taking the piss, but I'll bite anyway
If you believe in democracy then it's up to the people.
YES or NO, I think politics will be different after Thursday.
Re: The Jock vote - nick crisp - 14-09-14
(14-09-14, 08:03 PM)VNA link Wrote: YES or NO, I think politics will be different after Thursday.
Sad to say, after a honeymoon period, I doubt it :\
Re: The Jock vote - Stupid Luke - 14-09-14
(14-09-14, 08:16 PM)nick crisp link Wrote: [quote author=VNA link=topic=14658.msg166343#msg166343 date=1410721424]
YES or NO, I think politics will be different after Thursday.
Sad to say, after a honeymoon period, I doubt it :\
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I agree with Lew. Regardless of outcome the Scots should be taxed for the cost of this referendum and the campaigns it entails. Why should the English payer higher taxes for a bunch of ingrates?
Re: The Jock vote - goldfazer - 14-09-14
My prediction - No will get 53 or 54%. Might even pop down the bookies
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 14-09-14
Quote:My prediction - No will get 53 or 54%. Might even pop down the bookies [img alt=
Thing is, NO needs 60% plus to bury YES for a while.
YES needs 51% to bury NO for good.
Re: The Jock vote - richfzs - 14-09-14
Ah, the old "keep asking the question till they you the right answer", eh? :rollin
Not disagreeing, you're spot on - but even salmond said today, this is it, he won't be asking again, if it turns out a no.
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 14-09-14
Quote:Not disagreeing, you're spot on - but even salmond said today, this is it, he won't be asking again, if it turns out a no.
He says "In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland"
He could well be right, and I think that's what he has to say. But at the end of the day it's up to the Scottish people.
If it's NO, then Westminster needs to do some quick thinking, otherwise 12 months down the line NO voters might think, wait a minute - we focced this up - and lo and behold before you know your heading towards another Indy ref.
Look I'm not a nationalist for sake of being a nationalist. I don't do kilts and all that shite, no thanks tae that pish, I'm no walking aboot wi rose tinted spec on aw the time and I didnae hate the English, no one bit, I'm just fed up with the neo liberal privatise everything agenda we've been following since 1979 and the election of that bitch.
There's a general election next year in the UK. There is a choice o three parties and they are all the same, it's Tory, Tory or Tory, some say there's a forth option, Nigel and his ultra Tories. No Thanks, you know what I mean. That's where Scotlands coming from.
Re: The Jock vote - nick crisp - 14-09-14
(14-09-14, 09:39 PM)VNA link Wrote: There's a general election next year in the UK. There is a choice o three parties and they are all the same, it's Tory, Tory or Tory, some say there's a forth option, Nigel and his ultra Tories. No Thanks, you know what I mean. That's where Scotlands coming from.
But anywhere you go in the world, people are fed up with their politicians. What makes you think Scotland would be any different Andy?
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 14-09-14
VNA , When I read some of the posts as in, Stupid Luke his, comment (INGRATES) fecking hell glad he is not on a podium gobbing of about the NO vote. I know he has to be taking the piss here and trying to get a rise out of muppets like me.
I personally believe Scotland should stay in the Union. Fight for a better deal within the Westminster Parliment. When the next election comes along and the elected government have to rely on a bit of a leg up because they do not have a clear mandate to do what they like. Scottish MP's can extract their pound of flesh as in we will back you? but what is in it for Scotland.
For years the Unionsts did this to Tory governments when they where one short of a full house.
Re: The Jock vote - esetest - 14-09-14
with the polls being so close, the undecided could well vote yes due to the threats coming from westminster and the media .
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 14-09-14
It will never be a yes vote,why because the 16 year olds will be that busy playing on their x boxes etc!! the poles will have closed. :rollin
Re: The Jock vote - Razgruff - 15-09-14
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/islandgroups
Independence for Shetland
Would have loved to see the results of this,
I wonder why the SNP Gov didn't support it lol
Quote:5 August 2014: The Committee agreed to close the petition under Rule 15.7 on the basis that that the Scottish Government has indicated that it does not support what the petition seeks
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 15-09-14
(14-09-14, 08:03 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:If the vote is NO this issue should not be allowed to raise it's head again for another 50 years and that directive should come from the democrtically elected government of the UK.
Presumably you are taking the piss, but I'll bite anyway
If you believe in democracy then it's up to the people.
YES or NO, I think politics will be different after Thursday.
No I am not taking the piss and yes I do believe in democracy.
In one of your posts you said the NO vote needs 60% to make this go away (for a while)
The YES vote needs 51% . Explain to me how that is democratic, why is it not a done deal if the NO vote gets 51%.
To be honest the way the whole voting process over this issue is being run and organised it is like something from a Banana Republic.
Lowering the voting age to 16, what was wrong with keeping it at 18, not all Scots are allowed to vote, requirement was you have to live in Scotland to qualify or maintain a home there. I can accept that to a certain extent, but what if you are working abroad for a few years and have every intention of returning to live tehere again.
If you are any other nationality and live in Scotland you get to vote(assume they will be on the electoral roll)
Why should some Polish or Romainian have a vote
Re: The Jock vote - hightower - 15-09-14
If it is a yes vote, I propose England should also monitor its borders. It can let any Scot in EXCEPT for Frankie Boyle. Hell, I'd support Scotland's cause if that was one of the stipulations of a yes vote.
Re: The Jock vote - Farjo - 15-09-14
"three separate referenda in Shetland, Orkney, and the Western Isles" Well that's just poor English, no wonder they closed it.
Will an independent Scotland be allowed to keep the English language? Will they be seeking a representative on the Oxford English Dictionary committee?
But back to Locksmith's original question, how will an IndScot affect him...
There's dire predictions that independent Scotland would go into a depression, which would mean much economic migration from Scotland to SE England - more overcrowding, higher prices, etc. Of course that's only if you believe the predictions.
If Scots vote Yes and are no longer part of the EU (you have to believe that one too) then Dave could kick the Scots out of England and meet his "Net migration back to the tens of thousands" promise. I wonder how many Scots there are in London, compared with eastern Europeans?
There's also been comment that after a Yes result the UK's place in the world will be diminished (can't see why losing 5 million people would do that mind). So if there's a Yes vote and Dave wins in May then his renegotiation of our relationship with the EU would be from a weaker position and he would be able to get fewer and weaker changes. The people that Dave will be negotiating with will no doubt have seen how he has caved in under pressure during this campaign and will likely give up less during any EU renegotiations. Therefore he would be less likely to persuade the voters to remain in the EU come 2017.
There was some comment that a successful No campaign would see Alistair Darling appointed as Shadow Chancellor, replacing Ed Balls. Well he's probably cocked that one up already but a Yes vote will definitely see Balls staying. Given that Labour seem likely to win in May a Yes vote means Ed Balls for Chancellor of the Exchequer for us.
And a Yes vote would mean protracted negotiations between Scotland and the rest of the UK. This would naturally take a lot of politicians' time so they would be less involved day-to-day affairs. Whether you think this is a good or bad thing is of course your own opinion.
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 15-09-14
I will just advise those that think Scotland will be better off as an independent nation. Just look at the last part of the UK that became independent
The IRISH REPUBLIC, on the bones of it's arse and only within the last couple of years had to be given a financial lifeline by, guess who, the UK.
Some may say what about the Celtic Tiger their economy was one of the strongest in Europe until the crash. Well we all know now it was built on the lies of bankers etc!!
If you need to go and see a doctor in the Republic you had better have private healthcare in place, NHS in the Republic is practically non existant
Blah Blah we have Scottish oil, bullshit BP and the Oil Majors own and will control that oil.