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Re: Landscape Photography - devilsyam - 03-11-13
im using the g11 had a 9 before brill camera for on the bike snaps for other work i use my fuji xs-1
sorry about the size nick
i find the g11 works best in good light although its iso is good the picture richness is rich in good light
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Death Valley
Re: Landscape Photography - Grahamm - 03-11-13
(03-11-13, 06:01 PM)nick crisp link Wrote: I can't view all that at once Luke - can you resize it?
In Firefox you can right click on the picture and then "View Image" which will fit it on the screen.
Re: Landscape Photography - Oldgit - 04-11-13
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Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 04-11-13
Have to agree with some of the sentiments on Chomolungma, it had been cleand up shortly before I was there, but still trekers drop rubbish. We had a few 'words' with trekers who were dropping coke bottles and wrappers. I'm a great believer in leave only footprints because of my love for the outdoors. Could never really seperate my love of rock climbing and motorcycling. As a rock climber, K2 was what I would have loved to climb because of it technical difficulty where as Chomulungma is more of a serious trek at high altitude. Anyway back to pictures, this is on Cruagh Mhor in the MacGillyacuddy Reeks in Kerry where the clouds came rolling in beneath us .
Re: Landscape Photography - VNA - 05-11-13
Jesus unfazed, I didn't realise it was that bad. I was thinking of the tents and equipment along with their frozen owners that are piling up on the mountain, the rotting fixed ropes etc. For folks to just be dumping rubbish like neds is unbelievable.
Good photo.
Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 05-11-13
VNA
There are major cleanups of all the ripped tents and oxygen bottles and other rubbish. There was about 25 tons of rubbish taken off the mountain in 2011. Sagarmatha Pollution Control Committee are doing their best with limited resources to try and ensure the teams take the rubbish back with them. When we were there in 2003/4 all our rubbish was brought back out in barrels including human waste, which cost the expedition over £5000. Any real dedicated mountaineer will never leave any rubbish behind. It really pissed me and my friends off to have to ask trekers to pick up their litter, they are there to take in the incredible sights and aweinspiring scenery and cannot understand the simple rule of leave only footprints. :'( Enough of my rant and here is a picture of the bossons glacier in the alps, our attempt to do the 5 peaks in the Mount Blanc failed due to 2 metres of snow falling in 3 days causing some serious avalanches. Second picture is when we finally called it off and we headed back to try snowboarding. Simple survival rule "It will be there again tomorrow"
Re: Landscape Photography - nick crisp - 05-11-13
Some thoughts on debris left behind by climbers/mountaineers.
There have been one or two attempts to clear the mountain of debris over the last ten years or so, but as one can imagine, it's never going to be an easy task. It requires trained climbers (mountaineers?) with plenty of experience to carry out such a task, and of course even such people place themselves at extreme risk to do so. Given the risks, and the very short windows of opportunity regarding good weather just to get in a decent attempt at the summit, the time that would be required to bring down all the abandoned tents, discarded oxygen cylinders, clear fixed ropes and cart down all the other accumulated debris left behind by countless teams and individuals who have made attempts on the mountain over the years - I feel it would be nigh-on impossible. A clean-up team itself would be likely to add to the rubbish that they were there to collect.
And who would do it? The many westerners who travel to the Himalayan countries to climb there often save every penny for years, or have to accumulate sufficient sponsorship to be able to afford the huge costs of such trips. Most of them have to apply for climbing permits to climb any route they may want to tackle, and permits for Everest are always much in demand - and limited. Who of these would wish to "waste" a trip to those regions, never to be able to try for the summit? And even if the Nepalese or Chinese governments offered to pay people to do it, how would you get a large enough team together for sufficient time, at the right time (bearing in mind climbers often wait for weeks for that elusive weather window, just to attempt the summit), as of course, all these climbers have commitments outside of their climbing trips too?
Well, what of using local manpower, one might ask? But is it morally acceptable to ask others to risk their lives to clear up the mess left by visitors from other, wealthier countries? Bearing in mind that such local people would still require all the skills of the climbers aforementioned, limiting still further the pool of those qualified and experienced enough to try such a thing.
As for the abandoned equipment itself, wouldn't the mountain clear itself of most of this alone? Tents and other kit are ripped from it's flanks by the storms that whip the mountain frequently. Avalanches take down and bury more. Some of it may well turn up at the foot of a glacier some years later, where it will much easier to get to, to remove. Not ideal but.....
To climb such a mountain, humans need this equipment. They cannot survive such extremes without it, and even with it, they are still risking life and limb, even if they are not making a summit attempt, but may be just porters or other members of the summit team support. Lives have been lost just negotiating the approaches, with the tortured ice-falls with their mazes of crevasses and toppling seracs, heavily laden snow slopes, and the potential of rock-fall from crumbling, weathered cliffs.
Of course, there could be a ban on climbing Everest. There have been temporary bans by both the Nepalese and Chinese governments in the past. But then we get into the arguments over the rights and freedoms of people to travel, to go where they choose, to see the wonders of nature this planet has to offer. Like you, VNA, I am (or was) only a walker of small hills here in the UK, how would we feel if we were told that Ben Nevis, or Snowdon, or Scafell were to be forever off limits, because people could not be trusted with their litter? I'm sure that you would agree this would not be the way to go.
Banning climbing (and indeed, trekking) in such regions would also have a devastating effect on the local economies. Such "sports" have transformed many lives for the better, building and equipping schools, constructing and maintaining transport and communication links, and improving medical care and facilities for communities who were once virtually completely cut off from the outside world. And it may be said that perhaps that is how they should have remained, without the degrading monetary interests of the wealthy, developed nations to corrupt them. But you can't now turn back the clock.
And if you ban people from one mountain, won't they just go elsewhere, and create the same or similar problems there?
I am of the same mind as has been expressed here - take your rubbish with you, and leave little or no evidence of your passing. Trekkers have no excuse as they are not going into places (generally speaking) where they place their lives at risk just by being there. But we are but individuals who can easily carry away in much friendlier climes what we bring with us. On the flanks of the world's great peaks, it is much more problematic.
Ok, got caught out by further posts as I was trying to put this little spiel together ( :lol ), but only one more thing - Unfazed, when you say you cleared up the rubbish you created, did your team attempt the summit, or reach any significant height above Base Camp? And if so, did they manage to leave nothing behind on the mountain's flanks?
Comments?
Re: Landscape Photography - nick crisp - 05-11-13
A favourite view of mine from the Lake District (again!), and one of the many that lured me into my 2 month walking holiday there. The Newlands valley, with the triple peaks of Scope End on Hindscarth prominent, Robinson on the right. The path from here leads onto a beautiful low level walk to the col that takes you to the top of Dale Head or on over to Seatoller. It was a photographer whose work often features in TGO magazine that first brought this view to my attention.
Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 05-11-13
When 2 of our expedition made the top of Everest and 2 made the south Col and 2 made camp3 but succumed to the altitude. over 90% of our rubbish was removed as part of the expedition. I say over 90% as some was blown away by some severe huricane force winds and was unretrivable.
Is it not common practice to pay other to pick up your rubbish in all areas of life? Some see it as a way of making a living, I remember when I arrived back in Lukla to get our flight back to Kathmandu I shook hands with the porter who caried some of my gear amd gave him a 10euro tip as a thank you for his help and only later realised that it was the equivalent to two and a half days pay to him. The same porter was asked how far his home was from Lukla and his reply was "3 days walk". The biggest problem in the hi altitude areas is polution of the glacier rivers by the rubbish left in the mountains. They forget so easily that many of the communities they passed on the way and the porters they employed to assist them depend on these rivers for their survival.
A debate that will go on and on.
Back down to lower levels Biarritz from the top of the 248 step lighthouse and the beach at sunset
Re: Landscape Photography - nick crisp - 05-11-13
It's good to hear of expeditions like yours, Unfazed, who do their best to retrieve all they take with them.
On the point of isn't it normal for people to pay others to collect rubbish - yes, but most refuse collectors don't work in excess of 20,000ft!
Re: Landscape Photography - VNA - 06-11-13
Cracking mountain picture there unfazed.
Great to hear the big hill has been cleaned up!
I guess Nick if shit happens and things get out of control in bad weather, sure you might not be able to take everything back down, it's survival time. Same anywhere really.
But outside of such situations nobody should be going anywhere unless they intend to carry out all their waste.
Indeed on one occasion I failed to leave only foot prints. Lost my wee bag for my ski goggles last year, got blown out of my hands. Felt bad about that! Guilty :o
I guess maybe the clean up is about exactly what you mention, either it gets cleaned up or perhaps you risk the possibility of the relevant authority spitting the dummy out. Just a matter of refusing visas.
I've seen very little rubbish on the walks I've done here in Bonnie Scotland. But I am aware that there are issues, in particular Ben Nevis, a big voluntary clean up was just completed recently, countless bin bags of rubbish having been removed.
Another issue in the Scottish Hills are memorials. More and more little memorials are being left and then found by others. Attempts are often made to contact those who left them before they are removed.
If we cannae keep mountains and wild spaces clean and free of oor crap, what hope is there for anywhere?
Re: Landscape Photography - VNA - 06-11-13
Another wee Scottish hill,
Buachaille Etive Beag. Looking along the ridge from just off the summit of Stob Dubh
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Re: Landscape Photography - nick crisp - 06-11-13
I could quite happily look at mountainscape photos all day! (and looking at the weather outside on my day off today, probably will :\ ). Got any more from your trips, unfazed?
Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 06-11-13
(05-11-13, 11:04 PM)nick crisp link Wrote: .And most divers do not dive deep in the North Sea to weld oil pipes :lol
On the point of isn't it normal for people to pay others to collect rubbish - yes, but most refuse collectors don't work in excess of 20,000ft!
A few to keep you happy
Les Houches from the the ridge to Mount Blanc du Tacul in pic 1 and the reason we finally call off the climb, notice no bergschrund at the cliff base in pic 2. and every crevasse was snow bridged.
Pic 3 and 4 are just the alps
Re: Landscape Photography - VNA - 08-11-13
Must be amazing up there.
Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 08-11-13
VNA
Absolutely fanastice views
If you go to Chamonix you can get the cable car to the top of the Aiguille du midi ( 3850 metres and take in similiar views. It is well worth it for non climbers, the skiers and snowboards use it to get height to take the glacier down. Sking or snowboarding down the glacier accross crevasses is definiteely not for the fainthearted. Unfortunately we had to go up the hard way to acclimatise :'( and on our last day we spent a few hours in the Cosmique Refuge Hut at 3600metres just beneath the Aiguille du midi. We headed up to the Aiguille, took the cable car down and went to the pub :lol
Picture is of the Chamonix Valley
Re: Landscape Photography - VNA - 09-11-13
3850 metres! Help ma boab! Looks amazing.
Not a skier or snowboarder. Did go on a school ski trip once - no snow. So they took us out winter hill walking, which was a bit bonkers when I think back on it, a bit hap hazard. Remember sitting on top of a hill in a white out drinking slushy Irn Bru.
Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 09-11-13
Here is a one thats more down to earth :lol taken in the Gap of Dungloe Kerry.
Re: Landscape Photography - Agent Picolax - 09-11-13
I couldn't quite get me bike in these two
Taken at Lumsdale Valley in Derbyshire![[Image: 10712217444_c0396a6d99_b.jpg]](http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3785/10712217444_c0396a6d99_b.jpg)
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Re: Landscape Photography - unfazed - 09-11-13
Great colour and detail in those two pictures. Your obviously not Toni Bou then :rollin :rollin :rollin