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Re: The future is electric…………. - YamFazFan - 12-12-19
Mazda best cars I've ever had.
Obviously you have to desire the retro styling, but a mate who's in the trade went to the Birmingham show mainly to have a look at the 2020 Z900rs. He said the build quality and attention to detail is superb. He reckons it's better than Honda. I think it looks great, especially in the green/yellow.
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 12-12-19
I tried to buy one at the end of August. But they couldn’t get me a new one until the end of October. So might as well get one for the spring. They offered me the demo model, but it was fully loaded with tat, and I don’t want to pay for crap like rider modes, quick shifter, keyless ignition, alarm, emergency call etc etc. The sales staff didn’t seem impressed with me slagging off the extras – I mean keyless ignition – I told them I would pay extra not to have it.
BMW were the best for test rides. Got 2hrs, and only a 250 quid excess on the insurance.
The BWM’s are still odd-looking bikes, but that 1250 shift cam boxer engine blew me away. Yeah I still want one.
I’d agree with you that the Japanese stuff is still the most reliable, but I think the Euro stuff is catching up.
Re: The future is electric…………. - F4celess - 13-12-19
Talking to a friendly RAC man, last time our family vehicle broke down (that we sold not long after), he said he hardly ever gets called out for mechanical breakdowns with Japanese cars (if he did, it would be down to an owner error, such as running out of fuel, flat battery etc)......
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 13-12-19
I wouldn’t argue with that F4celess.
I just find a lot of Japanese motors, well, uninspiring. And lots of em look really weird.
I do like VAG stuff. My last car was a VW Bora, had it for ten years with very few issues. Well other than the engine management light being on for 7 years. :lol Did try initially to figure out what was wrong with it, but gave up and just kept driving it. 8) Boys at work slagged me for keeping it so long and called it the Boring Bora, but stone me it was a decent motor.
Had the Yeti for almost 4 years now from very nearly new (pre reg job). Great spec, decent 150hp diesel engine so it’s nippy enough, and 4wd. And I love my leather heated seats. Had the horn fail – common fault, but that’s the only issue I can think of that I’ve had so far – again fingers crossed.
Re: The future is electric…………. - YamFazFan - 17-12-19
(12-12-19, 01:11 PM)Grahamm link Wrote:Also there was a quote from someone saying "Why should I get an automobile and risk running out of gasoline when I can get hay for my horse at any farm?"
Just been reading a copy of The Vintage Motorcycle club journal from Dec 1996 and came across this quote...
"If the horse hadn't been invented first, there wouldn't have been anything for the automobile to replace"
- Groucho Marx
Re: The future is electric…………. - F4celess - 17-12-19
(13-12-19, 10:44 PM)VNA link Wrote:I wouldn’t argue with that F4celess.
I just find a lot of Japanese motors, well, uninspiring. And lots of em look really weird.
I do like VAG stuff. My last car was a VW Bora, had it for ten years with very few issues. Well other than the engine management light being on for 7 years. :lol Did try initially to figure out what was wrong with it, but gave up and just kept driving it. 8) Boys at work slagged me for keeping it so long and called it the Boring Bora, but stone me it was a decent motor.
Had the Yeti for almost 4 years now from very nearly new (pre reg job). Great spec, decent 150hp diesel engine so it’s nippy enough, and 4wd. And I love my leather heated seats. Had the horn fail – common fault, but that’s the only issue I can think of that I’ve had so far – again fingers crossed.
:thumbup
The thing with European cars, German in particular, they are ALL bland shapes, hence there's not a lot there for people to grumble about. "Safe" styling.
Plus alot is about the influence of the BADGE / reputation... If it has VW or AUDI on it, it could be a polished turd on wheels, it'll still sell like hotcakes!
One of my previous cars was a 5 series BMW (I thought I'd give it a try :rolleyes). Rust was soon springing up all over it (particularly sills and wheel arches which were expensive to fix economically), so I ended up giving it away as Scrap! Also paid a small fortune on various mechanical parts in the engine bay that chose to give up, at the most inconvenient times. Certainly "paid" dearly driving that premium brand!
At least the Japanese think outside the box with their car designs, rather than starting their design AS a box or rectangle, just with a few sharp edges curved off - " That'll be a Golf ".
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 17-12-19
Japanese cars used to be terrible rust buckets in the 70s of course, until they worked it out.
My old Ford keeps running along. Turns 15 next year.
However what really old family cars do I regularly see on the road? Volvos. They know something about rust proofing!
Re: The future is electric…………. - F4celess - 17-12-19
(17-12-19, 04:08 PM)mtread link Wrote:Japanese cars used to be terrible rust buckets in the 70s of course, until they worked it out.
My old Ford keeps running along. Turns 15 next year.
However what really old family cars do I regularly see on the road? Volvos. They know something about rust proofing!
We actually do have a Volvo as our family car. :lol
We took that in to a Volvo MAIN DEALER last year, as it was going into Limp mode randomly (plus on the motorway, a vehicle dropping to 40mph by itself for no good reason, becomes not funny :eek).
Volvo had it for a day and after a SECOND "test drive" by one of their service staff, they actually told us while we sat in their showroom, "sell this vehicle as soon as you can - honestly - its seriously underpowered - theres some major engine issue going on!" plus "we cant guarantee it wont blow up at some point". :eek "Which will cost a couple of grand for us to strip down the engine to begin some diagnosis!.... another option is to buy a replacement engine?"
Agreed though, no rust issues, plus actually built like a Tank.
So based on all of the above. I'd welcome an electric vehicle - MUCH less to go wrong! At least I've got my trusty Fazer for my 'happy motoring'. :thumbup :lol
Re: The future is electric…………. - YamFazFan - 17-12-19
(17-12-19, 04:08 PM)mtread link Wrote:Japanese cars used to be terrible rust buckets in the 70s of course, until they worked it out.
Was there any cars that weren't rust buckets in the 1970's? :lol .
They've all cracked that issue now haven't they. You don't see rusty cars on the road any more really do you.
They're all much of a muchness nowadays I reckon, but those reliability surveys are worth reading. Usually the Japanese brands leading the way and it's often surprising how low down some of the 'Trendy Badge' cars come.
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 17-12-19
Quote:They're all much of a muchness nowadays I reckon, but those reliability surveys are worth reading. Usually the Japanese brands leading the way and it's often surprising how low down some of the 'Trendy Badge' cars come.Not necessarily. Skoda is just about always in the top ten, if not sitting on the no.1 spot in any given category. The Japanese no longer dominate the reliability results.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliability-survey-family-cars/n20053
I think the truth is it’s hard to buy an unreliable car these days.
Though there are still lemons out there. My pal bought a brand new Ford Transit (OK not a car – but hey) for his business. In the first year he had 8 trips to the dealer to fix faults, and a further 7 the next year. He absolutely hates the thing with a vengeance, has complained bitterly about it, and eventually decided to bite the bullet and trade it in for a Merc van.
Re: The future is electric…………. - YamFazFan - 17-12-19
(17-12-19, 05:49 PM)VNA link Wrote:The Japanese no longer dominate the reliability results.If you keep going through all the different sections of car types/sizes in your link you come to a brand reliability chart on page 11. That's an overall reliability list I guess. The top 3 in that are all Japanese although I'm pretty impressed with Kia's results all the way through. Surprised Honda isn't nearer the top also.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliability-survey-brands/n20069
The mystery to me is why so many people lust after the trendy 'prestige' brands when some of them seem to score so poorly :\
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 17-12-19
Quote:The mystery to me is why so many people lust after the trendy 'prestige' brands when some of them seem to score so poorlyCos they are nice.
Not sure what to get next. Quite a fancy a BMW with the 3.0 twin turbo diesel.
But the SUV has surpised me, I quite like my little Skoda YETI. Don't like the BMW SUVs
Maybe Tiguan biturbo diesel.
Though need to run the Skoda another couple of years - so who knows what electic stuff might appear in 24mnths.
Re: The future is electric…………. - ogri48 - 17-12-19
(17-12-19, 05:49 PM)VNA link Wrote:a good building mate bought a new tranny two years back. he had two engines replaced under warranty, then gave up and went for a Peugeot. My old mk7 transit has 170k up now, still runs good. I read once that small ends generally go in the engine ive got, and its getting more rattly running as it gets older... I just turn the raddy-o up...;-)Quote:They're all much of a muchness nowadays I reckon, but those reliability surveys are worth reading. Usually the Japanese brands leading the way and it's often surprising how low down some of the 'Trendy Badge' cars come.Not necessarily. Skoda is just about always in the top ten, if not sitting on the no.1 spot in any given category. The Japanese no longer dominate the reliability results.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliability-survey-family-cars/n20053
I think the truth is it’s hard to buy an unreliable car these days.
Though there are still lemons out there. My pal bought a brand new Ford Transit (OK not a car – but hey) for his business. In the first year he had 8 trips to the dealer to fix faults, and a further 7 the next year. He absolutely hates the thing with a vengeance, has complained bitterly about it, and eventually decided to bite the bullet and trade it in for a Merc van.
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 17-12-19
I think many/most cars are mongrels now anyway. Sharing engines and other components across brands. Difficult to work out who to blame!
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 17-12-19
Quote:a good building mate bought a new tranny two years back. he had two engines replaced under warranty, then gave upMy pal had the injectors out, cleaned, then replaced, then replaced again, and again. The thing kept going into limp mode and showed multiple errors. It was a disaster.
Re: The future is electric…………. - YamFazFan - 17-12-19
Aren't Skoda's based on VW's, yet they've got a better reputation for reliability than VW haven't they?. How the foc has that come about? :rolleyes
Re: The future is electric…………. - Oldgit - 17-12-19
Electrickery.
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 17-12-19
Quote: My pal had the injectors out, cleaned, then replaced, then replaced again,My diesel Mondeo (probably the same engine) started to splutter on start up. Bit like fouled plugs on a petrol. Dealer downloaded an update to EMS, but it soon came back. Solved with doses of injector cleaner every 4 or 5 tanks. So £4 or so every 1500 miles. Seems to have improved my mpg too
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 17-12-19
Quote:aren't Skoda's based on VW's, yet they've got a better reputation for reliability than VW haven't they?. How the foc has that come about?
Yup, Skoda, Seat, VW and Audi all the same, more so today since VAG introduced their MBQ platform. Oh, the Porsche SUV’s are MBQ as well.
Each brand is run as a separate concern. Apparently VAG have been bit peeved at times with at Skoda getting better reviews and scores for reliability than it’s more upmarket VW brand.
Re: The future is electric…………. - coffee - 17-12-19
(17-12-19, 09:09 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: My pal had the injectors out, cleaned, then replaced, then replaced again,My diesel Mondeo (probably the same engine) started to splutter on start up. Bit like fouled plugs on a petrol. Dealer downloaded an update to EMS, but it soon came back. Solved with doses of injector cleaner every 4 or 5 tanks. So £4 or so every 1500 miles. Seems to have improved my mpg too
Is this the stuff you put in your tank or into the air cleaner while running?