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Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - F4celess - 17-12-19
(17-12-19, 01:01 AM)mtread link Wrote:...
Good on Harry's family for keeping up the pressure.
Agreed! :thumbup
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 17-12-19
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Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 20-12-19
It looks like she is being charged. Whether it ever leads to a conviction and her paying for her crime is another matter as you can be charged (and sentenced) in your absence but if she never returns to the UK, she is unlikely to actually pay.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50870459
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - F4celess - 20-12-19
Agreed (you beat me to it), The Crown Prosecution Service has now announced it has charged Mrs Sacoolas, 42, with causing death by dangerous driving.
It comes after Northamptonshire Police interviewed Mrs Sacoolas in America and handed their completed file of evidence on Mr Dunn's death to the CPS last month.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 20-12-19
Quote:It looks like she is being charged.
Which begs the question why this did not happen in the first place.
I have to say I am a little confused.
There is firstly the question of whether or not Mr Sacoolas’s wife had diplomatic immunity in the first place, as it has been reported that his name does not appear on any such lists. It has also been reported that he was here in the UK to spy on the UK.
It’s further been reported that Dominic Raab called off the cops as he granted diplomatic immunity to Anne Sacoolas. Harry’s family have taken legal action against him for doing so, as they claim what he did was wrong. The government in turn is seeking legal costs from the Dunns for taking legal action against them (no surprise there seeing as we have a Tory government.)
Now I read;
Quote:The Foreign Office is to remove an anomaly that helped Sacoolas leave the UK, claiming diplomatic immunity after her car crashed into Harry on 27 August, killing him and prompting a long diplomatic tug of war between the US and the UK.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/20/anne-sacoolas-charged-over-death-of-harry-dunn
The foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, is to start talks with the US to end an anomaly whereby family members of US staff based at RAF Croughton appear to have greater protection than the staff themselves.
Now correct me if I am wrong here, but the crown prosecution service, is now requesting that the home office (who may have wrongly granted Scoolas immunity, but is seeking legal costs from the Dunns for questioning this, whilst discussing with the US bringing an end to any anomalies that have led to this confusion) begin extradition proceedings against Scoolas.
I can’t see her being extradited. And it looks unlikely she will voluntarily return.
What a mess.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - coffee - 20-12-19
Thought it was a straightforward extradition 'till I read that,I don't know the ins and outs of these things like you and others here but after reading a few posts I've come to the conclusion that there's next to no chance of her being extradited and unbelievably the Dunns will be lucky to avoid a legal action. :eek
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 21-12-19
Quote:I don't know the ins and outs of these things like you and others hereJust following what's the in the press. Plus some worthwhile commentary on twitter.
It's all pretty confusing to the say the least.
I would guess that the best that can come of it is perhaps, is that Ms Sacoolas will not be able to set foot in the UK again without fear of arrest.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 21-12-19
(20-12-19, 02:44 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote:It looks like she is being charged.
Only four months after the event...
It won't make any difference, of course.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 21-12-19
(21-12-19, 03:17 AM)Grahamm link Wrote:[quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=25682.msg307198#msg307198 date=1576849470]
It looks like she is being charged.
Only four months after the event...
It won't make any difference, of course.
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There you go, now you need to retain that mindset in regards to Corbyn losing, you're slowly getting the hang of things now :lol
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 21-12-19
Quote:Quote from: Grahamm on Today at 02:17:41 AM<blockquote>Quote from: BBROWN1664 on 20 December 2019, 01:44:30 PM<blockquote>It looks like she is being charged. </blockquote>
Only four months after the event...
It won't make any difference, of course.
</blockquote>
There you go, now you need to retain that mindset in regards to Corbyn losing, you're slowly getting the hang of things now
Don’t forget that it is your Tory government darrsi that called off the cops and allowed Ms Sacoolas to leave the country.
Don’t forget that it is your Tory government darrsi that is seeking compensation for it’s legal costs from Harry’s family for challenging them in granting Ms Sacoolas diplomatic immunity.
Don’t forget that it is your Tory government darrsi that subsequently wasted big bucks sending cops to the USA to interview Ms Sacoolas when she could have been interviewed and charged in the UK.
And lets be honest Darrsi, you Toryr government will now just go through the motions, if it even bothers, when it comes to the extradition of Ms Sacoolas.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 21-12-19
Quote: There you go, now you need to retain that mindset in regards to Corbyn losing, you're slowly getting the hang of things now
What's this got to do with Brexit and Corbyn? Why do you bring this up in another thread? How childish :rolleyes
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 21-12-19
(21-12-19, 12:25 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:Quote from: Grahamm on Today at 02:17:41 AM<blockquote>Quote from: BBROWN1664 on 20 December 2019, 01:44:30 PM<blockquote>It looks like she is being charged. </blockquote>
Only four months after the event...
It won't make any difference, of course.
</blockquote>
There you go, now you need to retain that mindset in regards to Corbyn losing, you're slowly getting the hang of things now
Don’t forget that it is your Tory government darrsi that called off the cops and allowed Ms Sacoolas to leave the country.
Don’t forget that it is your Tory government darrsi that is seeking compensation for it’s legal costs from Harry’s family for challenging them in granting Ms Sacoolas diplomatic immunity.
Don’t forget that it is your Tory government darrsi that subsequently wasted big bucks sending cops to the USA to interview Ms Sacoolas when she could have been interviewed and charged in the UK.
And lets be honest Darrsi, you Toryr government will now just go through the motions, if it even bothers, when it comes to the extradition of Ms Sacoolas.
Now now, how many times do i have to tell you i don't support any party? In fact i've said it several times now.
Just because i can't stand Corbyn, doesn't mean i like anyone else, which i've mentioned many times too.
In the same breath, not liking the Leftie twats does not make you Right Wing either. The majority of decent straight minded people don't care for any of them.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - steve 10562cc - 21-12-19
Can we leave politics out of this, this is about someones son dying in tragic circumstances and his parents finding a way to deal with that. She has now been charged by the CPS and if she is not willing to come back, she should be tried in her absence, a guilty verdict means if she ever returns to this country she will be arrested to serve her sentence. My heart goes out to Harrys family I lost my eldest son when he was 7, 35years ago and it's still very very raw.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 21-12-19
(21-12-19, 04:14 PM)steve 10562cc link Wrote:Can we leave politics out of this, this is about someones son dying in tragic circumstances and his parents finding a way to deal with that. She has now been charged by the CPS and if she is not willing to come back, she should be tried in her absence, a guilty verdict means if she ever returns to this country she will be arrested to serve her sentence. My heart goes out to Harrys family I lost my eldest son when he was 7, 35years ago and it's still very very raw.
She's not going to return though is she!
They won't extradite her, and nobody in their right mind will voluntarily swap their freedom for a "possible" prison sentence, even if it's for weeks or a few months. And because of her husbands status she will be protected by the powers that be in the U.S.
It's not the desired result at all, but that is how things will pan out no doubt.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 21-12-19
Quote: Can we leave politics out of this, this is about someones son dying in tragic circumstances and his parents finding a way to deal with that. She has now been charged by the CPS and if she is not willing to come back, she should be tried in her absence, a guilty verdict means if she ever returns to this country she will be arrested to serve her sentence. My heart goes out to Harrys family I lost my eldest son when he was 7, 35years ago and it's still very very raw.Absolutely. Also (assuming we keep it going) she'll be arrested in any other European country she visits under a European Arrest Warrant.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 21-12-19
(21-12-19, 04:39 PM)mtread link Wrote:Absolutely. Also (assuming we keep it going) she'll be arrested in any other European country she visits under a European Arrest Warrant.Actually that sounds like a bigger punishment than 2 weeks in jail. Which would include - would it ?- all of the uk territory in the Caribbean ruling out any nice cruises she plans on doing.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 21-12-19
Quote:Can we leave politics out of this, this is about someones son dying in tragic circumstances and his parents finding a way to deal with that.Politics got involved Steve. That's the whole point. The Foreign and Common Wealth Office (FCO), it would appear, wrongly advised Northants police that Anne Sacoolas had diplomatic immunity. The Dunn family have taken legal action against the FCO, in turn Dominic Raab – secretary of state for foreign affairs is taking legal action against the Dunns in order to recoup the governments costs in defending their undefendable decision.
You can’t take the politics out of a political mess.
Raab, made the wrong decision, he has misled the Dunns, and treated them most appallingly.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 21-12-19
But that's not politics. (Far be it from me to defend the current government) but it seems that Raab gave the right advice. US staff at the base had waived immunity, but it wasn't waived for their families. Raab is now looking to correct the situation.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-loophole-diplomatic-immunity-harry-dunn-a4318761.html
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 21-12-19
Quote:But that's not politics. (Far be it from me to defend the current government) but it seems that Raab gave the right advice. US staff at the base had waived immunity, but it wasn't waived for their families. Raab is now looking to correct the situation.It gets more confusing by the day.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-loophole-diplomatic-immunity-harry-dunn-a4318761.html
And Raab threatening to recoup costs from the Dunns? Nice guy.
Anyway she is refusing to retrun, and further she claims diplomatic immunity, and therefore does not accept the charge.
The US state Department spokesperson said
Quote:"It is the position of the United States government that a request to extradite an individual under these circumstances would be an egregious abuse."https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/harry-dunn-dead-family-trump-administration-prosecution-extradition-a9256191.html
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 21-12-19
As i said before, it's all about her husbands status, simple as that.