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Re: Downshift Blipping - nick crisp - 15-09-17
(15-09-17, 03:17 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: 227 KPH at one point =141mph, again that is the speedo reading and not the true speed my guess would be 4 or 5 mph slower.
I have often been surprised at how wildly inaccurate motorcycle speedos can be towards the top end. Over-reading by 10mph and more is not uncommon. But I also think that willy-waving exercises are pointless in this regard. All that counts is if you have fun on your bike imo, which is perhaps why I have never had a bike on the dyno. My Fazer is the best bike I have ever owned, and that's what counts to me.
P.S. Red ones are faster :rollin
Re: Downshift Blipping - tommyardin - 15-09-17
Well i think that finding out your top speed is an OK thing to do, and don't really see it as a willy waving exercise.
I like to know what my bike as well as my car is capable of.
I'm not a tear arse for the best part, but, still like to know what is possible.
Valentino Rossi, Nicky Haden, Kenny Roberts, Bazzer Sheene, Casey Stoner, Carl Crutchlow, Guy Martin, Carl Fogarty, Giacomo Agostini and many other greats before and after them were ever heard so say 'finding out what a bike is capable of is willy waving. :pokefun
Re: Downshift Blipping - nick crisp - 15-09-17
(15-09-17, 04:54 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: [size=1em]
Valentino Rossi, Nicky Haden, Kenny Roberts, Bazzer Sheene, Casey Stoner, Carl Crutchlow, Guy Martin, Carl Fogarty, Giacomo Agostini and many other greats before and after them were ever heard so say 'finding out what a bike is capable of is willy waving. :pokefun
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Have you ever noticed there is a very slight, maybe almost imperceptible difference between what they do for a living, and what you do? :lol
Re: Downshift Blipping - tommyardin - 15-09-17
(15-09-17, 05:08 PM)Hedgetrimmer link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=23205.msg268148#msg268148 date=1505490878][size=1em]
Valentino Rossi, Nicky Haden, Kenny Roberts, Bazzer Sheene, Casey Stoner, Carl Crutchlow, Guy Martin, Carl Fogarty, Giacomo Agostini and many other greats before and after them were ever heard so say 'finding out what a bike is capable of is willy waving. :pokefun
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Have you ever noticed there is a very slight, maybe almost imperceptible difference between what they do for a living, and what you do? :lol
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Cut and pasted from my previous comment
I'm not a tear arse for the best part, but, still like to know what is possible.
So if your a racer its OK to know what the top speed of a motorcycle is, but, if you don't ride professionally its willy waving.
All those non professional guys who love do track days WILLY WAVERS.
Wanting to know what is possible is what got man to the moon and the bottom of the deepest ocean, it is also finding a cure for cancer and other life threatening diseases, those that do that all want to know what is possible, More willy wavers. :pokefun
Re: Downshift Blipping - nick crisp - 15-09-17
(15-09-17, 10:54 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: [size=1em]
Wanting to know what is possible is what got man to the moon and the bottom of the deepest ocean [/size]
What did they bring back from the moon? Rocks. Colour me amazed.
They went to the bottom of the deepest ocean once (Marianas Trench). It was too dark to see anything. Great.
:wall :lol
Re: Downshift Blipping - darrsi - 15-09-17
Did 135mph on mine, with a pillion too, and the bike definitely had more to give, but some selfish car driver changed lanes about a third of a mile ahead, so i shut off the throttle.
Thing is, it ain't much fun to be honest, unless the elements are totally in your favour.
Your head and body get bashed about, and the risk is phenomenal, so i can say that i've been there done that but feel no real urge to do it again.
But it DOES need to be done, even if it's just the one experience.
Re: Downshift Blipping - Skippernick - 16-09-17
Unfortunalty Tommy, man hasn't been to the bottom of the deepest ocean either, not the really deep stuff.
But apart from that all ok. I for one have never maxed out my bike, its not really practical on road but oh that acceleration, now we all love that.
Re: Downshift Blipping - darrsi - 16-09-17
(16-09-17, 09:11 AM)Skippernick link Wrote: Unfortunalty Tommy, man hasn't been to the bottom of the deepest ocean either, not the really deep stuff.
But apart from that all ok. I for one have never maxed out my bike, its not really practical on road but oh that acceleration, now we all love that.
That is a big point you just made there, it's not just about what the bike can do, it's also hugely about the roads you ride on.
I was riding down the main road on the way home the other day and just happened to look down to my left and saw a pothole just over 2 feet in diameter and about 6 inches deep. It was on a bus route too so i'm amazed it has managed to get that dangerous without being dealt with yet. :eek
If anyone hits it their vehicle has to get damage in some way, and obviously if a bike hits it it's game over.
I emailed Brent Council, who have taken responsibility for that particular road, as soon as i got home and explained it needs URGENT attention, so they emailed me back 2 days later thanking me for my report and said someone will look into it within 10 days and it should "hopefully" be attended to within 28 days! :rolleyes
So doing high speeds on any roads involves a large amount of luck and blind trust in that you don't find a bad bit of tarmac or concrete that could really spoil your day.
Re: Downshift Blipping - nick crisp - 16-09-17
(16-09-17, 10:41 AM)darrsi link Wrote: So doing high speeds on any roads involves a large amount of luck and blind trust in that you don't find a bad bit of tarmac or concrete that could really spoil your day.
Hey Tommy, and have you seen the size of the potholes on the foccin moon?! :eek :crazy
Re: Downshift Blipping - darrsi - 16-09-17
So dangerous.........riding with an umbrella. :lol
Re: Downshift Blipping - RobG UK - 26-09-17
I get puzzled by these conversations. Up gear is clutchless or with a courtesy flick of the clutch in the low gears to help smooth it out. Downshift, I have absolutely no idea except I don't physically blip the throttle, but then again I always use front and rear brakes all the way to the apex so I usually pick the gear I want long before I tip it in. As for top end, 145 on the clock is easily achievable but totally pointless cos you would only do it on a straight road so a total waste of using 2 wheels. As for speed on corners, only time I look is on the way out, never on the way in?
Re: Downshift Blipping - Hugh Mungus - 26-09-17
Clutch-less up shifts and downshifts should be perfected so that you can ride home when your sodding clutch cable snaps and you don't want to wait 3 hours for a recovery truck where the mechanic knows f-all about bikes and has to call another truck... This is also easily achievable in a car but it requires a different technique.
Blipping on the downshift is something you'll either do or not understand why others do it. You don't have to be riding fast for it to be beneficial. It does make it easier to understand if you use your engine to assist your brakes to slow down. If you purely rely on using your brakes to slow down then you'll never understand the point of blipping. Try dropping a couple of gears on the approach to a junction, you probably already know how much this can help you slow down - maybe it felt a little jerky/jumpy... Give the throttle a blip just before you let the clutch out and it will be a lot smoother. All you are doing is trying to match the engine speed to what it will be when the clutch is let out - this saves the clutch having to suddenly speed up the engine to match the gear change.
Clutch-less up shifting in a car can be done easily. Next time you change gear look at how much the RPM goes down. Lets call it 1,000 rpm. This will be roughly the same for each gear change. So you change gear at 3,000 rpm and it now says 2,000 rpm - it is important to remember this. To change gear without the clutch... Get to 3,000 rpm. Slightly reduce pressure on the throttle while gently easing the gear stick into neutral, now let the revs drop to 2,000 rpm as you gently select the next gear. It takes a bit of practice.
Downshifts are slightly trickier - Remember those RPM values. At 2,000 RPM ease off the throttle and gently ease the gear stick into neutral. Rev the engine to 3,000 rpm (this is a more controlled blip) and gently select the next gear down. That's it. This takes a fair bit of practice to get it into gear without crunching.
I used this technique to get a mates car home very late at night when his clutch cable broke - Just put it in 1st gear and turn the ignition and away you go! Plan junctions and roundabouts in advance so you can avoid stopping and you'll be fine.
Re: Downshift Blipping - tommyardin - 26-09-17
(16-09-17, 10:53 AM)Hedgetrimmer link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=23205.msg268189#msg268189 date=1505554912]
So doing high speeds on any roads involves a large amount of luck and blind trust in that you don't find a bad bit of tarmac or concrete that could really spoil your day.
Hey Tommy, and have you seen the size of the potholes on the foccin moon?! :eek :crazy
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Potholes! You call them POTHOLES? I have pimples on my arse bigger than them :eek
Re: Downshift Blipping - tommyardin - 26-09-17
[size=1em]Some in here have said they don't blip the throttle on the down shift or they don't understand it and don't know why you would want to do it and that's OK, it's an individual thing.[/size]
[size=1em]Go back to my entry in here (Downshift Blipping) of 15th September and watch the video of the guy blasting along on his FZS 600 as you get towards the middle of the video the guy goes down through his box rapidly (About 1-44 seconds into the video) and uses the blipping technique, watch his speedo as he drops through the box the braking effect from the engine is smooth and the and the reduction in speed is constant, go through the box like that without blipping and each time you let the clutch out after the change down the forks will tend to dive as you lurch forward and the back tyre could lose contact [/size]
[size=1em]Hang on! I will post the video in here again[/size]
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Re: Downshift Blipping - tommyardin - 26-09-17
I'm not recommending you ride like that up the Highstreet, well not on a Saturday lunch time anyway. :eek
The guy takes his bike through 13.2K in a lot of gears. :'(
Re: Downshift Blipping - F4celess - 26-09-17
(15-09-17, 11:36 PM)darrsi link Wrote: Did 135mph on mine, with a pillion too, and the bike definitely had more to give, but some selfish car driver changed lanes about a third of a mile ahead, so i shut off the throttle.
Thing is, it ain't much fun to be honest, unless the elements are totally in your favour.
Your head and body get bashed about, and the risk is phenomenal, so i can say that i've been there done that but feel no real urge to do it again.
But it DOES need to be done, even if it's just the one experience.
The pillion rider tends to suffer far more serious injuries, in a motorcycle accident, fact!
At 135mph you eliminated the possibility that your pillion would come out with any injuries at all, as they'd be dead (there's alot that could happen outside of your control, speed wobble, tyre blows out, animal runs into the road, another vehicle changes lane or enters the carriageway, etc)...
Next time you feel the urge "it has to be done... to get the tshirt" perhaps look back, to make sure you arent carrying a pillion first!? :eek
Re: Downshift Blipping - tommyardin - 26-09-17
At 135 MPH your both toast.
You know what F4celess you are exactly right, Darssi was a naughty boy doing that with a pillion up back, but FFS who hasn't done stupid things in life?
It is likely that somewhere someone in the known world was killed that same day riding their motorcycle at 40 mph along the street and a truck pulled out on them.
Life is full of risks and I'm sure his mate was on the back screaming give it the beans in his ear, that's what lads do, not saying it's sensible but that's what they do.
I have never done those sort of speeds with a pillion up back, most of my mates used to think I was foccing mad anyway and would not get on the back of my bike. :rolleyes
Re: Downshift Blipping - darrsi - 27-09-17
(26-09-17, 11:49 PM)F4celess link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=23205.msg268179#msg268179 date=1505515014]
Did 135mph on mine, with a pillion too, and the bike definitely had more to give, but some selfish car driver changed lanes about a third of a mile ahead, so i shut off the throttle.
Thing is, it ain't much fun to be honest, unless the elements are totally in your favour.
Your head and body get bashed about, and the risk is phenomenal, so i can say that i've been there done that but feel no real urge to do it again.
But it DOES need to be done, even if it's just the one experience.
The pillion rider tends to suffer far more serious injuries, in a motorcycle accident, fact!
At 135mph you eliminated the possibility that your pillion would come out with any injuries at all, as they'd be dead (there's alot that could happen outside of your control, speed wobble, tyre blows out, animal runs into the road, another vehicle changes lane or enters the carriageway, etc)...
Next time you feel the urge "it has to be done... to get the tshirt" perhaps look back, to make sure you arent carrying a pillion first!? :eek
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The pillion knew exactly what was about to happen, and me, along with everyone else, risk our lives as soon as you get on a bike and start riding on the road.
Similar to people who find the urge to parachute out of planes, now you wouldn't get me doing that ever, because my mind tells me that it's very dangerous and the risk assessment is much higher 'cos if your parachute(s) fail you're totally fooked, but people still do it, just to get a buzz out of it.
If my bike was bigger then maybe i'd have gone faster, who knows, or worse still, i could've been hit whilst 'speeding' by some poor bloke who's parachute had failed? That would make a good story, albeit an unlucky one for all involved. :lol
Re: Downshift Blipping - celticdog - 27-09-17
(27-09-17, 06:53 AM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=F4celess link=topic=23205.msg268824#msg268824 date=1506466193]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=23205.msg268179#msg268179 date=1505515014]
Did 135mph on mine, with a pillion too, and the bike definitely had more to give, but some selfish car driver changed lanes about a third of a mile ahead, so i shut off the throttle.
Thing is, it ain't much fun to be honest, unless the elements are totally in your favour.
Your head and body get bashed about, and the risk is phenomenal, so i can say that i've been there done that but feel no real urge to do it again.
But it DOES need to be done, even if it's just the one experience.
The pillion rider tends to suffer far more serious injuries, in a motorcycle accident, fact!
At 135mph you eliminated the possibility that your pillion would come out with any injuries at all, as they'd be dead (there's alot that could happen outside of your control, speed wobble, tyre blows out, animal runs into the road, another vehicle changes lane or enters the carriageway, etc)...
Next time you feel the urge "it has to be done... to get the tshirt" perhaps look back, to make sure you arent carrying a pillion first!? :eek
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The pillion knew exactly what was about to happen, and me, along with everyone else, risk our lives as soon as you get on a bike and start riding on the road.
Similar to people who find the urge to parachute out of planes, now you wouldn't get me doing that ever, because my mind tells me that it's very dangerous and the risk assessment is much higher 'cos if your parachute(s) fail you're totally fooked, but people still do it, just to get a buzz out of it.
If my bike was bigger then maybe i'd have gone faster, who knows, or worse still, i could've been hit whilst 'speeding' by some poor bloke who's parachute had failed? That would make a good story, albeit an unlucky one for all involved. :lol
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Let's face it we've all done it at some point- speeding that is, although I guess not many will do it 2 up. I must admit in my yoof to giving the odd pillion rider a bit of a scare by caning it at times. Nowadays I think it is in fact a bit selfish to speed at silly levels, the risk to yourself is one thing but the risk to other road users is a bit unfair. I suppose that's why track days are so popular. The fun's being sucked out of the roads,
cars are slowly moving to electric, i'm sure bikes will follow. Google is even working on a driverless car- how much fun is that going to be. Also, there's too many vehicles on the road for such a small country. We also have to contend with these.
Re: Downshift Blipping - Hugh Mungus - 27-09-17
I'm not averse to riding at speed with my misses on the back. She loves it. There are times and places where it's too dangerous so I steady up a bit.