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Re: Footballer Ched Evans - griff86 - 11-01-15
Totally agree with you Gnasher.
I used to work with about ten 18-21 year old girls and when they went out they would get in some right states, go home with guys they didn't know, take all sorts of drugs, they love this type of life.
2 of them got in a car with two guys they didn't know and ended up near Birmingham and had to escape into a field when they stopped at a round about.
Women in these examples have to take part of the blame as unfortunately we live in a world where someone will take advantage and commit rape, which wouldn't happen if they didn't put themselves in those situations.
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - VNA - 11-01-15
I assume that both Gnasher and griff86 are teat total and have never ever been pissed.
Quote:Like GHB, which is a totally fucked up substance, coke is also made from substances which really shouldn't be ingested.
darrsi, alcohol is a poison, it's a hard drug that just so happens to be legal.
It also happens to be the most commonly abused drug in our society.
As a friend (former addict) once said to me, alcohol is really handy for removing stains, it's handy also for removing your memory, it can also remove your friends, your wife and children, your house and employment - it can and will remove everything.
The only thing it didn't remove was his life. He's not touched a drop now for over 30 years.
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - richfzs - 11-01-15
(11-01-15, 12:36 PM)VNA link Wrote: The only thing it didn't remove was his life. He's not touched a drop now for over 30 years.
Good on him, that's a hell of an achievement.
I'm reminded of an argument that I was an amused bystander to. We were in Ecuador, eating in a restaurant run Columbians, and the conversation turned to drugs. One guy on the trip, had some kind of job in the City, and we were pretty sure from things he said (even before this evening out), that he was a pretty high volume level coke user. He was saying that recreational drugs don't have to be a bad thing, and that the approach to control in the UK was all wrong. Other folk there, from the high end of the social scale (president & his wife, of one the UK larger tennis clubs), were compltely against anything, took the view that even one toke of a joint would lead you directly to injecting heroin. It got pretty heated, but none of them picked up the fact that we were all well into our bottles of wine that night, which as you say VNA, is one of the nastier drugs out there. But it's legal so is ok, go figure :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - darrsi - 11-01-15
(11-01-15, 12:36 PM)VNA link Wrote: I assume that both Gnasher and griff86 are teat total and have never ever been pissed.
Quote:Like GHB, which is a totally fucked up substance, coke is also made from substances which really shouldn't be ingested.
darrsi, alcohol is a poison, it's a hard drug that just so happens to be legal.
It also happens to be the most commonly abused drug in our society.
As a friend (former addict) once said to me, alcohol is really handy for removing stains, it's handy also for removing your memory, it can also remove your friends, your wife and children, your house and employment - it can and will remove everything.
The only thing it didn't remove was his life. He's not touched a drop now for over 30 years.
Yeah, i agree with that, although as you well know it can also be used with caution and restraint too, not everyone enjoys getting bladdered, it can be consumed on a sociable level as well.
But then too much sugar, fat, etc can also be classed as poisons too if abused, because they can kill you just the same, albeit a bit more in the long term.
It's amazing how alcohol has different reactions on individuals as well, there's a school near me and at the end of term in summer all the teachers go and have a booze up down my local.
It's worth a visit down the pub just to watch them get hammered on that one night a year.
They take embarrassment to different levels, smashing glasses, throwing up, falling off benches and generally making a complete arse of themselves.
Alcohol certainly does have a lot to answer for, although on the flip side you have certain countries and religions who don't touch a drop as it is banned but will quite happily go and empty an AK47 on people, which funnily enough when i've been on the sauce i've never felt the urge to do.
It's certainly a weird world we live in. :crazy
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - VNA - 11-01-15
Quote:Yeah, i agree with that, although as you well know it can also be used with caution and restraint too, not everyone enjoys getting bladdered, it can be consumed on a sociable level as well.
That's true of many recreational drugs.
Quote:Alcohol certainly does have a lot to answer for, although on the flip side you have certain countries and religions who don't touch a drop as it is banned but will quite happily go and empty an AK47 on people, which funnily enough when i've been on the sauce i've never felt the urge to do.
Generally most Muslims do not drink, and there is much to like about Islamic culture.
As for AK47's, well how about a bit of shock and awe, a wee bit of regime change mixed in with a little bit of 'collateral damage'. Or Syria, where we armed Isis whilst Putin armed Assad and all the civilians are dying. Oh ho thread tangent alert.
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - lew600fazer - 11-01-15
As there is about a Christian culture.
Think I will withdraw from this thread now, enjoy. :rollin :lol
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - Gnasher - 11-01-15
(11-01-15, 12:36 PM)VNA link Wrote: I assume that both Gnasher and griff86 are teat total and have never ever been pissed.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin that's sooo funny :lol :lol :lol :lol
If only you knew
Thing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?
Any women who's going out with sole intention of getting absolutely bladdered and is prepared to go off with whomever she meets is putting herself at risk end of chat! Taking responsibility for one's self means knowing when to stop or at least do it while you are accompanied so they can watch out for you and get you home, if your that weak willed you can control yourself!
Like Lews600 this is my last too
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - mtread - 11-01-15
Quote:Thing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?Because rape is a specific offense. It has to be penetration by a male (on a woman or a man). Other activities would be prosecuted as a sexual assault, including those committed by a woman.
You see, there can be no doubt that penetration by a man can only be a deliberate act. We're made that way .......
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - VNA - 11-01-15
Quote:Thing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?
Well Gnasher just remember if you wake up one morning in a strange room wi a fella next to you and a very sare arse, well it's yer own fault - right?. It happens, umm so I'm told. :eek
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - darrsi - 12-01-15
(11-01-15, 09:18 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote:Thing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?Because rape is a specific offense. It has to be penetration by a male (on a woman or a man). Other activities would be prosecuted as a sexual assault, including those committed by a woman.
You see, there can be no doubt that penetration by a man can only be a deliberate act. We're made that way .......
What if a woman gets you "ready for action" whilst you're sleeping, then takes advantage?
That's certainly possible!
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - mtread - 12-01-15
Darrsi - in your dreams ......
I'm no expert, but technically I think it would be a sexual assault.
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - FZSteely - 12-01-15
(11-01-15, 12:46 AM)lew600fazer link Wrote: Do I sense a shift in opinion here.
Trial by jury I am refering too
I have been on the receiving end of British justice system.
Nearly 40 years ago I was out for a Sunday stroll along the sea front with my then wife were we where living at the time. Our 4 year old son wanted to go to the toilet. Bad parenting on my part I let him go into the loo on his own. I thought I heard him cry out so I went in and caught this cunt trying to get him into a cubical. Long story short, I completely lost it and if it had not been for passers by I probably would have killed him. Only thing stopped me getting time was he was a known sex offender.
I was still done for GBH and was given a suspended 3 month sentence and bound over to keep the peace for 12 months.
About 8 months later I was standing at a bus stop and there was girl at the stop obviously pregnant. Two gobshites started giving her a hard time. I told them to behave and leave the lass alone. One of them fancied himself as a hard case and decided to take it to the next level. I should have walked away but being in my 20's at the time fuck it. Police got involved we all got done for disorderly behaviour. The girl gave her account of what happened and said I was looking out for her.
I was advised that I was going to be prosecuted. As I had previous I was advised by a solicitor to go via the courts and not a magistrates court. Court were advised that I had previous for GBH and was bound over to keep the peace for 12 months. At no time was my solicitor allowed to say why I was bound over or did the court advise the reasons for the order. I was found guilty of affray, fined £45.00 £200 costs and sent down for 3 months as this was my 3 months suspended sentence. Risely and Walton jails are not very nice places to spend any time in. I was out after a month. I had lost my job, could not get work, nearly lost my home. I decided to go back to sea as it was the only place I could get work and I had a family to keep and mortgage to pay. To say this put a strain on my marriage, well we split after 18 months.
Two silly decisions nearly ruined my life. I should have been a good parent and went into the loo with my son. In those days though there did not appear to be the wierdos around then as are now. How many on here though would have walked away from the bus stop and left the lass with the two gobshites.
I do not really have a lot of faith in the British justice system. I had never been in trouble with the police before or since apart from an SP30 3 years ago.
I certainly am not comparing myself to Ched Evans but he made an error of judgement has done his stretch and deserves a break.
Lew I couldn't agree with you more, any parent who encounters a nonce, trying to do god knows what to his or her child deserves every injury coming to them or worse, and I work in a Courtroom!! You should have had people lining up to shake your hands, not cuff them!
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - darrsi - 12-01-15
(12-01-15, 06:40 PM)mtread link Wrote: Darrsi - in your dreams ......
I'm no expert, but technically I think it would be a sexual assault.
Why, it's the same difference?
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - VNA - 12-01-15
Quote:What if a woman gets you "ready for action" whilst you're sleeping, then takes advantage?
That's certainly possible!
Is that one of your wet dreams?
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - darrsi - 13-01-15
(12-01-15, 11:28 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:What if a woman gets you "ready for action" whilst you're sleeping, then takes advantage?
That's certainly possible!
Is that one of your wet dreams?
Obviously no woman has found you appealing enough for that to happen then? :lol
Re: Footballer Ched Evans - taylor - 13-01-15
what if she done you with a big strap on . :lol