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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - mickvp - 10-05-16
(10-05-16, 11:06 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=mr self destruct link=topic=6412.msg231715#msg231715 date=1462859641]
[quote author=joebloggs link=topic=6412.msg231714#msg231714 date=1462856484]
[quote author=tommyardin link=topic=6412.msg231649#msg231649 date=1462788209]
[quote author=mr self destruct link=topic=6412.msg231565#msg231565 date=1462693326]
[quote author=joebloggs link=topic=6412.msg231556#msg231556 date=1462663255]
[quote author=mickvp link=topic=6412.msg231534#msg231534 date=1462649675]
[quote author=matt7chunk link=topic=6412.msg231526#msg231526 date=1462644628]
[quote author=tommyardin link=topic=6412.msg231505#msg231505 date=1462640286]
[quote author=matt7chunk link=topic=6412.msg231452#msg231452 date=1462609160]
I've done over 700 miles since I passed my mod 2 last week and I love the fazer, runs and rides beautifully, still learning though and trying to get my cornering better each ride, any tips?
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[size=1em]The info written below is my opinion only and you can choose to take notice or ignore it, you makes you own decisions and therefore it is your responsibility. [/size]
[size=1em]IN MY OPINION: [/size]
The biggest mistake when cornering on a bike is panic, your coming into a long sweeping bend, you look down at you clock fuck 75mphI've overcooked it, you tighten up your whole body in a panic and grip the bars almost crushing them oval, you have now got no control of the bike at all, your shoulders are locked up in blind panic. Two things are likely to happen, you either run wide hoping you hit nothing (not likely at them speeds) or you hit the brakes, either course of action is going to end in tears.
[size=1em]Modern motorcycles and and modern tyres are not likely to let you down on bends, you can crank most motorcycle over much further than you can imagine or believe. Of course there is cow shit and gravel on bends along country roads so you need to be aware and try to anticipate what might be around a bend.[/size]
[size=1em]You are entering a bend, don't focus on the road 40 or 50 yards in front of you look ahead to where the road disappears around the bend out of your sight, keep looking around the bend and you will see the point that the bend starts to straighten out, slowly roll the throttle on through out the remainder of the bend you are now in control and the bike is under power being driven out of the bend.[/size]
If you feel you have overcooked it on a bend the worse thing you can do is panic and chop the throttle shut and/or hit the brakes, trust your bike and your ability (as long as you have decent tyres) I would say that 99 percent of the time you will make it around the bend, push down on the bars and slowly roll the throttle on powering out out of the bend and you will have a monster smile on your face and a new found love of your steed. Panic, brake and chop the throttle the bike will stand up and 99 percent chance you will come off, heading for some serious gravel rash and expensive repairs.
[size=1em]The GP boys go over and scratch knees, elbows and occasionally bars on the track, I know the Fazers are not GP bikes' but they will crank over much further than most riders ever push them, the reason most riders come off and I include myself in this is because they panic and that fear immobilizes you.[/size]
[size=1em]My advice would be enjoy your bike, experiment with riding techniques ie: employ a loose riding grip, relax you will feel less bumps and it is far less fatiguing. [/size]
[size=1em]Understand the principles of counter steering and have faith in your bike, a motorcycle moving at speed naturally wants to stand up and go in a straight line, the wheels want follow each other, let go of the bars and your bike will want to travel in a straight line, just watch the racers as they cross the line at 120mph plus waving their arms above their heads giving clenched fists to the crowds, straight line. [/size]
[size=1em]Ride within your comfort zone for a while, and, as you feel a little more confident push yourself a little, that is how you improve, otherwise your comfort zone is stationary.[/size]
[size=1em]I don't ride anywhere near as hard as I used to, I recognise that at my age I don't bounce so freely anymore.[/size]
[size=1em]The 600 Fazer is a great choice of bike, it truly is a great all rounder whether commuting, touring or scratching down county lanes, I am thinking about getting a Gen1 1,000cc, but my baby Fazer stays because its so versatile and I love it. [/size]
[size=1em]Especially as it a really, really fast SILVER one. [/size] :lol
[size=1em] [/size]
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Thanks Tommy, great info there, I'm definitely getting better and having more faith in the bike, only passed a week ago and learning every time I ride, great bike and great weather atm
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Hey a hold of Keith codes twist of the wrist 2. A lot of what Tommy has mentioned is in it but it's worth a read anyway (think there's a film of it as well if your a lazy fecker :lol ) might even be on YouTube
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I agree with the above but one thing I would suggest is getting used to the feel of braking in a corner, don't go grabbing a handful of front brake but just as you start tipping into a corner gently apply the front brake, just enough so you can feel it start to lift the front (front brake will try to stand the bike up) keep the brake on and pull the bike down, when you reach the apex slowly release the brake at the same time adding power.
I know I'm going to take some flack for the above statement but I personally believe its important to feel how the bike reacts in certain situations and if you ever do feel you have far to much speed to make the turn you will hopefully understand how to counteract the force generated by your brakes so you can stop the bike running wide and make the turn before running out of road
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All of the above is great advice, that I'm having to relearn as well. I had almost a year off the bike due to a knee injury and have pretty much lost my confidence. Last week I overcooked it into a left hander, froze, ran wide and blind into the oncoming lane. Thank fuck it was 4.15am and no-one was coming!
This is the best £325 I ever spent since passing my test three years ago:
http://www.circuitbasedtraining.co.uk/courses/advanced-cornering-mallory-325
Sean there taught me all of the above, including emergency braking at 60mph round a bend, giving me the confidence to know what to do should the worst happen.
I know I'm going to have to go again so will book sometime this summer.
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Someone mentioned getting used to braking in a bend, I would suggest getting your braking done before the bend, a bike under braking stresses and loads it not stable, it upsets the dynamics and stability of the bike,
the loads shift from front wheel to back wheel and then back again making for instability . Plus the amount of rubber actually on the road when cranking over on a bend is minimal it's about the size of a credit card back and front not an ideal situation to be braking. If you really feel you overcooked it and its a sweeping bend and you have the time pick the bike up brake and lay it over again, don't brake once the bike is laid over it will tend to pick the bike back up causing you to run wide. If you can you would be better off relaxing into it look around the bend pick the moment the bend starts to straighten out and roll the throttle on all the way round the bend (I don't mean gun it, but keep the power slowly going on) the bikes geometry remains stable.
I know lots of guys have their own technique of riding but braking whilst in a bend will end in disaster, counter steer and lean your body into the bens as well as the bike, you body will act as an air brake and help you around the bend.
I have seen guys hooning along and get to a bend lean the bike over and then lean their body the opposite direction WTF is that about.
Ride safe and enjoy the freedom. Keep the greasy side down.
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I suggested braking lightly on the way in so he would get a feel for how the bike responds to braking into a corner, if in the future he has to scrub off some speed where running wide isn't an option he will know what to expect.
I was on my x's RD125 years ago and got a puncture, didn't find out until I slowed down,luckily for a slow corner, was near a friends place so figured I could ride it there providing I kept my speed up, only problem with that theory was he lived at the end of a twisty back road. Every time I slowed the tyre would flaten and the front end would slide, bloody awful feeling to start but after a few corners I got my head around it and found with some opposite countersteer the tyre would grip. After this I found I could save front end slides, it became a reflex action, no panic, just pressure on the outside bar and hope the tyre grips sooner rather than later. Had some pant filling tankslappers once its gripped again.
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And when I say braking in a bend at 60, I should've made it clearer that it's an emergency manoeuvre only!
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It it just me that finds it a little annoying when people quote a quote and a quote and a quote and it ends up masive
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It's worse when you get notifications to your phone, so every time it happens you get a message telling you, only to find it was in reference to something else in the massive chain quote (yes, I realise I quoted it again :lol)
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - fazersharp - 10-05-16
Is there a way to just select part of someone's post and have it as a quote, not just like this
Quote:Sample quotewhich uses the insert quote button, yes it adds a quote box but id does not add the posters name and post date like this
(08-05-16, 04:13 PM)MMCMME link Wrote: Nice blast round the Helmsley TT and back, taking advantage of this gorgeous weather.
The only way I have done it in the past is to use the quote button on the actual post and then delete all the extra gunph that is not needed
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - joebloggs - 10-05-16
Someone mentioned getting used to braking in a bend, I would suggest getting your braking done before the bend, a bike under braking stresses and loads it not stable, it upsets the dynamics and stability of the bike,
the loads shift from front wheel to back wheel and then back again making for instability . Plus the amount of rubber actually on the road when cranking over on a bend is minimal it's about the size of a credit card back and front not an ideal situation to be braking. If you really feel you overcooked it and its a sweeping bend and you have the time pick the bike up brake and lay it over again, don't brake once the bike is laid over it will tend to pick the bike back up causing you to run wide. If you can you would be better off relaxing into it look around the bend pick the moment the bend starts to straighten out and roll the throttle on all the way round the bend (I don't mean gun it, but keep the power slowly going on) the bikes geometry remains stable.
I know lots of guys have their own technique of riding but braking whilst in a bend will end in disaster, counter steer and lean your body into the bens as well as the bike, you body will act as an air brake and help you around the bend.
I have seen guys hooning along and get to a bend lean the bike over and then lean their body the opposite direction WTF is that about.
Ride safe and enjoy the freedom. Keep the greasy side down.
[/quote]
I suggested braking lightly on the way in so he would get a feel for how the bike responds to braking into a corner, if in the future he has to scrub off some speed where running wide isn't an option he will know what to expect.
I was on my x's RD125 years ago and got a puncture, didn't find out until I slowed down,luckily for a slow corner, was near a friends place so figured I could ride it there providing I kept my speed up, only problem with that theory was he lived at the end of a twisty back road. Every time I slowed the tyre would flaten and the front end would slide, bloody awful feeling to start but after a few corners I got my head around it and found with some opposite countersteer the tyre would grip. After this I found I could save front end slides, it became a reflex action, no panic, just pressure on the outside bar and hope the tyre grips sooner rather than later. Had some pant filling tankslappers once its gripped again.
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And when I say braking in a bend at 60, I should've made it clearer that it's an emergency manoeuvre only!
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I just think it safer to practice braking technique in you own time rather than when you need it to save your ass.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - mickvp - 10-05-16
(10-05-16, 12:10 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Is there a way to just select part of someone's post and have it as a quote, not just like this
Quote:Sample quotewhich uses the insert quote button, yes it adds a quote box but id does not add the posters name and post date like this
(08-05-16, 04:13 PM)MMCMME link Wrote: Nice blast round the Helmsley TT and back, taking advantage of this gorgeous weather.
The only way I have done it in the past is to use the quote button on the actual post and then delete all the extra gunph that is not needed
Not natively mate, as you say the easiest way to do it is to manually manipulate the code. Possibly an add on that would allow it though but I have never looked
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - esetest - 10-05-16
Rode it .
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - mr self destruct - 11-05-16
(10-05-16, 11:06 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: It it just me that finds it a little annoying when people quote a quote and a quote and a quote and it ends up masive
I usually delete all the shit in the middle but couldn't be arsed yesterday. :b
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - nick crisp - 11-05-16
Today, I did ride it from Ullapool to Carlisle. 1220 miles in the last 4 days, blissful hot sunshine in the Highlands; old acquaintances revisited, new places explored. A brilliant mini tour
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - mickvp - 12-05-16
Wee 30 mile ride out tonight to balmaha and back.
![[Image: c7cdfc49c4ee853dbdaca7b1d8f1d322.jpg]](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160512/c7cdfc49c4ee853dbdaca7b1d8f1d322.jpg)
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - joebloggs - 12-05-16
![[Image: WP_20160512_004.jpg]](http://s19.postimg.org/5y41pdvsj/WP_20160512_004.jpg)
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - NorthWestern - 14-05-16
Rode it to Aintree and got a puncture about 5 miles to go. Called the aa which in joined a couple of weeks ago and they arrived in 20 mins
Plugged it and followed me to the track to make sure it was all fine. Great service really, never used a service like that before
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Red Ceri - 14-05-16
Finished fitting the R1 radial Brembo front master cylinder immediately feels better at the lever, balanced carbs and re-set TPS bike has a much smoother pick-up and lost some buzziness I'd been experiencing.
Just needs a clean and I'm ready for my tour of Scotland next week.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Skippernick - 15-05-16
(14-05-16, 09:32 PM)NorthWestern link Wrote: Rode it to Aintree and got a puncture about 5 miles to go. Called the aa which in joined a couple of weeks ago and they arrived in 20 mins
Plugged it and followed me to the track to make sure it was all fine. Great service really, never used a service like that before
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There mobile tech guys are good, just beware aa approved garages (halfords) £350 for a seized calliper which has scored 3mm off the inside of my alloy wheel, calliper mounting bolts finger tight. And it takes 8 weeks for them to investigate but hey still haven't been out to look at the car. Go figure.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - joebloggs - 15-05-16
Picked up my stainless suspension bolts/studs and spacers
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153430045792373&set=a.10150976001442373.413975.660537372&type=3
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Tiercel - 16-05-16
![[Image: photo_2016_05_16_18_20_42.jpg]](http://s32.postimg.org/iyi64ap91/photo_2016_05_16_18_20_42.jpg)
Double bubble screen fitted and some sexy anodised blue bolts
Now for a lovely ride in the sun to see if it actually makes any difference. If nothing else it makes the bike look significantly sportier. Forgot to buy new trim for the screen though, whoops!Next on my list of mods:
- fender extender
- rear hugger
- more modern looking indicators rather than the horrible chunky originals
-braided brake pipes (more anodised blue of course :V )
speaking of which, I heard theres various forum/club discount codes floating around to get money off braided lines from somewhere, anyone know more about this?
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - sinto607276 - 16-05-16
(16-05-16, 06:25 PM)Tiercel link Wrote: Double bubble screen fitted and some sexy anodised blue boltsNice screen, I used to have one just like it :thumbup
I'm sure it'll get you to go faster as you need all the help you can get with a blue bike :pokefun
(16-05-16, 06:25 PM)Tiercel link Wrote: I heard theres various forum/club discount codes floating around to get money off braided lines from somewhere, anyone know more about this?Think it was HEL brake lines, I looked into it ages ago but never went through with it in the end but might go back to it in the near future.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - esetest - 16-05-16
rode it home the via the scenic route .
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - matt7chunk - 16-05-16
(16-05-16, 06:25 PM)Tiercel link Wrote:Where did you get the double bubble mate? Has it made a difference? Nice bike
Double bubble screen fitted and some sexy anodised blue bolts
Next on my list of mods:
- fender extender
- rear hugger
- more modern looking indicators rather than the horrible chunky originals
-braided brake pipes (more anodised blue of course :V )
speaking of which, I heard theres various forum/club discount codes floating around to get money off braided lines from somewhere, anyone know more about this?
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - sinto607276 - 16-05-16
(16-05-16, 08:06 PM)matt7chunk link Wrote: Where did you get the double bubble mate?Keep up Matt, read the posts earlier :pokefun
Forgot to say earlier when I looked at your pic, aren't those rubber bootstamp for the mirrors meant to be underneath the end part to stop them flapping about?
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - matt7chunk - 16-05-16
(16-05-16, 08:59 PM)sinto link Wrote: [quote author=matt7chunk link=topic=6412.msg232192#msg232192 date=1463425615]Keep up Matt, read the posts earlier :pokefun
Where did you get the double bubble mate?
Forgot to say earlier when I looked at your pic, aren't those rubber bootstamp for the mirrors meant to be underneath the end part to stop them flapping about?
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My bad :eyeroll
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Tiercel - 17-05-16
:rollin yeah got it off Sinto here!
Not really noticed any difference yet, though not had a chance to try it out properly either! It does look gorgeous though and thats gotta count for something!
Quote:Forgot to say earlier when I looked at your pic, aren't those rubber bootstamp for the mirrors meant to be underneath the end part to stop them flapping about?Yeah probably! But theyre old and dont fit and keep popping out! What Id like to do is get some folding mirrors for extra tight inner-London filtering ability! Someone told me the mirrors from the R1 might fit it, if I can find a pair might be worth a try.