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Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - YamFazFan - 24-04-21
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Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - agricola - 27-04-21
100% cloud cover all day here, and no breeze at all, so the local old coal fired has been running since I got up this morning
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - Streetbudgie - 07-05-21
I would love to know how a Smart Meter can tell the sex of people living in my home or their age :rollin
What if my lodger is non binary and identifies as a shrubbery?
My Smart Meter is in danger of offending my lodger's foilage status :rollin
Seriously I've never read such rubbish, of course Smart Meters tell the supplier how much you're using and when, that's a good thing as it enables them to predict demand, nothing else, I'm certain that the good people at EDF couldn't give a toss about how many drunken women wake up in my bed on a Sunday morning :rollin
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - fazersharp - 07-05-21
(07-05-21, 12:55 PM)Streetbudgie link Wrote: I would love to know how a Smart Meter can tell the sex of people living in my home or their age :rollinFrom how much electricity you are using and at what times of day, so the sex by monitoring power serge from a hair dryer for example. Age by what time they get up and start using equipment and from the power being used can work out what equipment is being used = age.Also age by seeing the power consumption increase when the kids come home from school. If you even have kids by not seeing that surge at that time but seeing it when you come home instead.
Also if you are a single parent. All from diagnosis of how much power is being used for how long and at what time.
All of this data is valuable information that can be sold to advertisers to target you. Or a telemarketing company will know the best times to call your house.
Other info such as exactly when you leave and return home - very useful to thieves.
If you still think its a load of rubbish and are happy for a surveillance device to be installed in your home then that's up to you.
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - BBROWN1664 - 07-05-21
(07-05-21, 01:23 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Other info such as exactly when you leave and return home - very useful to thieves.
Just as well I leave everything turned on all the time and have a few big dogs then.
Seriously though, I agree with what you are saying. The data analysis will be based on typical patterns though as you could not say for certain (for example) that a household has children because the power usage goes up at 4pm. It could be a teacher that lives there or someone who does short days.
Same goes for the hairdryers, some men use them allegedly etc etc etc
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - fazersharp - 07-05-21
(07-05-21, 02:03 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26750.msg324996#msg324996 date=1620390224]
Other info such as exactly when you leave and return home - very useful to thieves.
Just as well I leave everything turned on all the time and have a few big dogs then.
Seriously though, I agree with what you are saying. The data analysis will be based on typical patterns though as you could not say for certain (for example) that a household has children because the power usage goes up at 4pm. It could be a teacher that lives there or someone who does short days.
Same goes for the hairdryers, some men use them allegedly etc etc etc
[/quote]Yes to all of that there will be cases but will be the minority and I am sure that a teacher will have something to say to you about your comment that they get home at 4 :lol
Quote:Just as well I leave everything turned on all the time and have a few big dogs then.Wont work because that everything is on and is still a baseline to work off unless the dogs are brewing cuppas and using the jacuzzi when you are not home. Either way they will know when you get home and start drying your hair with one ov vidals finest. :lol
Companies behind the roll out hide behind phrases such as "allowing access to data on a more granular level". = meaning deeper spying.
An appliance will have its own power load signature that can identify what it is and by doing that it can be seen when it is being used and from that it can be worked out who is using it.
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - agricola - 07-05-21
(07-05-21, 01:23 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Streetbudgie link=topic=26750.msg324995#msg324995 date=1620388511]From how much electricity you are using and at what times of day, so the sex by monitoring power serge from a hair dryer for example. Age by what time they get up and start using equipment and from the power being used can work out what equipment is being used = age.Also age by seeing the power consumption increase when the kids come home from school. If you even have kids by not seeing that surge at that time but seeing it when you come home instead.
I would love to know how a Smart Meter can tell the sex of people living in my home or their age :rollin
Also if you are a single parent. All from diagnosis of how much power is being used for how long and at what time.
All of this data is valuable information that can be sold to advertisers to target you. Or a telemarketing company will know the best times to call your house.
Other info such as exactly when you leave and return home - very useful to thieves.
If you still think its a load of rubbish and are happy for a surveillance device to be installed in your home then that's up to you.
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Commonly used word these days, algorithms. Used to analyse all sorts of stuff you'd think unanalysable. I remember reading a book in the 80s, authors name was Skinner but cant remember the title, in which all these stuff was predicted, surveillance/marketing etc
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - Dudeofrude - 20-05-21
https://www.visordown.com/news/general/survey-says-31-motorcyclists-would-stop-riding-if-electric-replaces-petrol
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - fazersharp - 20-05-21
(20-05-21, 07:37 AM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: https://www.visordown.com/news/general/survey-says-31-motorcyclists-would-stop-riding-if-electric-replaces-petrolI would still ride but I would be in the "56% would look to keep their petrol-powered machine on the road for as long as they could." camp.
I think that petrol will end up being very expensive and the availability few and far between.
My bike spends most of its time plugged into the battery optimiser anyway.
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - Grahamm - 20-05-21
(20-05-21, 07:37 AM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: https://www.visordown.com/news/general/survey-says-31-motorcyclists-would-stop-riding-if-electric-replaces-petrol
It's a pity they don't post a link to the results, I'd be interested to see the breakdown in age groups between the die-had petrolheads and those who would switch to electric.
Personally, whilst I would agree with the "delay" group, if it came down to it and electric bikes could a) have a longer range b) be quicker to charge and c) be a hell of a lot cheaper, I would switch.
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - Dudeofrude - 20-05-21
I can't understand why they haven't started to make hybrid bikes yet. Something like a 300/400cc engine with an electric motor that puts out similar power to a 1000cc bike. I think it would help coax people over to electric vehicles as it is trying to do with cars ?
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - YamFazFan - 20-05-21
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Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - Grahamm - 20-05-21
(20-05-21, 06:26 PM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: I can't understand why they haven't started to make hybrid bikes yet.
An interesting idea, and one I'd not thought about.
However, a little google suggests they might be a non-starter at the moment:
https://www.cycleworld.com/where-are-hybrid-motorcycles/
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - Grahamm - 23-12-21
Ok, I'm resurrecting an old thread, but this is interesting:
Electric car supply chain carbon emissions lower than ICE vehicles, study finds
The research team combined concepts from energy economics and industrial ecology – carbon pricing, life cycle assessment, and modelling energy systems – to find if carbon emissions were still reduced when indirect emissions from the electric vehicle supply chain were factored in.
“A major concern about electric vehicles is that the supply chain, including the mining and processing of raw materials and the manufacturing of batteries, is far from clean,” said Professor Ken Gillingham.
“So, if we priced the carbon embodied in these processes, the expectation is electric vehicles would be exorbitantly expensive. It turns out that’s not the case; if you level the playing field by also pricing the carbon in the fossil fuel vehicle supply chain, electric vehicle sales would actually increase.”
Re: Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion... - beuleux - 04-01-22
The day I get an electric bike is the day I die ?