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Re: Swing arm Movement? - WayneUK - 04-08-20

I've found the seals, I emailed them about the collar has it said ETA so waiting to hear from them to see how long it would take.

Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 05-08-20

(04-08-20, 03:26 PM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: Do a search on ebay for the part number -
Checking the link for the colloar above show an ebay link from Fowlers and it says they have 8 in stock atm - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-Collar-90387-102R4-OEM-MT09-MT09TRACER-FJR1300-FZS1000FAZER-TRX850-R1Z/362502188816?fits=UKM_Make%3AYamaha&hash=item5466d06f10:g:XOUAAOSwQn1e-yxc

And the second link has result after result of genuine seal going for peanuts!

Re: Swing arm Movement? - Gnasher - 05-08-20

(05-08-20, 10:35 AM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: [quote author=b1k3rdude link=topic=26394.msg318738#msg318738 date=1596551170]
Do a search on ebay for the part number -
Checking the link for the colloar above show an ebay link from Fowlers and it says they have 8 in stock atm - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-Collar-90387-102R4-OEM-MT09-MT09TRACER-FJR1300-FZS1000FAZER-TRX850-R1Z/362502188816?fits=UKM_Make%3AYamaha&hash=item5466d06f10:g:XOUAAOSwQn1e-yxc

And the second link has result after result of genuine seal going for peanuts!
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Mate, can you find these?


(04-08-20, 06:06 PM)FILZ6 link Wrote: Wemoto.com are showing the seals in stock, £5.62 + £3.00 postage to the UK.  Looks like the collar is out of stock though.


Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 05-08-20

Let me call Fowlers just now..


Re: Swing arm Movement? - Gnasher - 05-08-20

Mate I'm referring to the parts on Wemoto?


Fowlers will get any Yam part if it's still made and carried as stock in 24 hrs from the EU distribution dept in Holland, if they don't have it. 

Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 05-08-20

(05-08-20, 10:35 AM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: Checking the link for the colloar above show an ebay link from Fowlers and it says they have 8 in stock atm - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-Collar-90387-102R4-OEM-MT09-MT09TRACER-FJR1300-FZS1000FAZER-TRX850-R1Z/362502188816?fits=UKM_Make%3AYamaha&hash=item5466d06f10:g:XOUAAOSwQn1e-yxc
(05-08-20, 10:59 AM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: Let me call Fowlers just now..
So ebay is lying. Fowlers don't have any stock as Wayne found, but Yamaha Uk do. Lead time from purchase over the phone to arriving through your letter box atm is 7-10 days.

- https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/search/part/90387-102R4
But found another more linkfor the collor -

https://www.cmsnl.com/products/collar1wg_90387102r4/


Re: Swing arm Movement? - Gnasher - 05-08-20

Looks like Yamaha have changed how the do business, Fowlers used to be one of the main spares importers they supplied most others.  Oh well you learn something every day Smile

Re: Swing arm Movement? - WayneUK - 05-08-20

I've managed to get everything off, the collar doesn't look to bad just a good clean?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/photos/share/LY46LMYbAsSpXQsmV4yY7KTd4pOJ3CLg0SUIojrksrk

Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 05-08-20

Gnasher will correct me -
  • if you hold a flat edge to the collar and cant see any daylight between the collar and the edge then your golden. I would also say if you can feel anything with your fingers nails that also a good sign.
  • Also those bolts while a bit corroded also look fine - but do the above check on them.
If they are good, they should clean-up with some Autosol.

Re: Swing arm Movement? - WayneUK - 05-08-20

I have a suspension linkage coming, should be here on Friday, maybe this will come with some collars,So I'm going to clean everything up while the swing arm is off, also have some new bearings for the pivot shaft which I might put on too.

Re: Swing arm Movement? - Gnasher - 05-08-20

You need to put a micrometer on the pin and measure it in several places, as they wear with flat spots and eccentrically.  The darken area is wear (lack of grease) often the needles wear more then the pin, looking at the movement and the pin I'd say the bearing is shot.  Quick way and only as a guide is clean out the bearing with brake cleaner, once all the old grease is out shake the bearing if it rattles it's shot.

Check the seals, if they're hard/brittle replace them or your new bearing will fail in short order.   

Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 05-08-20

(05-08-20, 12:11 PM)Gnasher link Wrote:
  • You need to put a micrometer on the pin and measure it in several places, as they wear with flat spots and eccentrically. 
  • Quick way and only as a guide is clean out the bearing with brake cleaner, once all the old grease is out shake the bearing if it rattles it's shot.
  • Didn't think to think of that, makes sense. But I would think the straight-edge method would also show this..? if you rotated the collar as you checked..?
  • Learn something everyday.


Re: Swing arm Movement? - Gnasher - 05-08-20

(05-08-20, 12:26 PM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: [quote author=Gnasher link=topic=26394.msg318778#msg318778 date=1596625905]
  • You need to put a micrometer on the pin and measure it in several places, as they wear with flat spots and eccentrically. 
  • Quick way and only as a guide is clean out the bearing with brake cleaner, once all the old grease is out shake the bearing if it rattles it's shot.
  • Didn't think to think of that, makes sense. But I would think the straight-edge method would also show this..? if you rotated the collar as you checked..?
  • Learn something everyday.
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It would, but to a point, measuring is the correct way.

Re: Swing arm Movement? - WayneUK - 05-08-20

I'm just on with cleaning the swing arm, which seems harder than taking it off the bike  :lol and noticed some black tape is that there for a reason?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/photos/share/1pEz3yXRW3KfVDJ6yn9dBg7aMy9kpw6ZaHxquiQNZSQ

Re: Swing arm Movement? - Fazian - 05-08-20

Pull the tape off and have a look, probably covering a bit of surface rust.

Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 05-08-20

Im fairly sure Ive seen the same tape on on one of my FZS1000 swingarms. No idea what its for, I might be covering a small drain hole, so your best just leaving it alone.

Re: Swing arm Movement? - WayneUK - 06-08-20

Is this normal for movement of the bolt through the collar?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/photos/share/SvqcoQzpvRdyee77XQzliKEbT408ZtQr1x2DPdD8DRj

Re: Swing arm Movement? - agricola - 06-08-20

(06-08-20, 09:01 AM)WayneUK link Wrote: Is this normal for movement of the bolt through the collar?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/photos/share/SvqcoQzpvRdyee77XQzliKEbT408ZtQr1x2DPdD8DRj


Theres some wear in there

Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 06-08-20

(06-08-20, 09:43 AM)agricola link Wrote: Theres some wear in there
+1,  thats a lot of wear.


Re: Swing arm Movement? - b1k3rdude - 06-08-20

For anyone that needs this info here is a breakdown of the parts and what Wemoto in-stock -

Dogbone mounts:
  • Collar 90387-126Y1 - wemoto x2 (AA3666)
  • Roller bearing - 93317-21746 - wemoto x0 (AB1057). But Marksman have x21 stock
  • seals - 93109-17071 - wemoto x4 (AA1482) But Marksman have x44 stock
  • bolts - 90185-12119 - bolts x2 Fowlers (Wemoto dont have any matching bolts)
Monoshock mount:
  • Kit -  wemoto x2 (AE4797)
  • bearing - 93317-31771 -
  • coller - 90387-127W0 -
  • seals - 93109-17071 -
  • Bolt - 90101-10659 - x1 fowlers (Wemoto dont have any matching bolts)
Frame mount:
  • collar - 90387-102R4 - wemoto x1 (AD2206)
  • bearing - 93317-31771 - wemoto x35 (AB1227)
  • Bolt - 90105-10376 - x2 fowlers (Wemoto dont have any matching bolts)
Marksman kinkage bearing and seal kit:
  • Atm the kit dosen't have collars, but the sale chaps I spoke to will look to get get the collars and all the bolts added to the kit, making it superior to the wemoto kit - link
And talking of Markman, they do a bunch of bearings for the Gen1 - https://shop.marksman-ind.com/index.asp?function=SEARCH