New Chain Time = Sprockets too ?

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Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - darrsi - 28-04-19

Can't stress how much my bike for example will suffer from being ridden all year round, compared to a "dry" bike......just no contest really, hence why your bike is looking in such good nick and you probably don't have half the issues an all weather bike would have.
The salt alone on wet roads when snow is expected could wipe a chain out if it's not kept properly maintained.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(27-04-19, 07:28 PM)unfazed link Wrote: I use the Afam Riviting tool, simple to use

(27-04-19, 07:00 PM)Fazerider link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=25205.msg297055#msg297055 date=1556374552]
I will get a photo of the front sprocket for peoples opinion as to if I really need to change it as I understand it wears quicker than the rear.
What is the tool you use?

This is the one.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183609863691?
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Thanks I will check them both out.
My local Yam dealer wants £60 to fit a chain that I supply

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - darrsi - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 12:36 PM)Fazerider link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=25205.msg297111#msg297111 date=1556450399]
I've never fitted a chain link myself, not on a motorbike anyway, so one question is can you get it very wrong or is it that straightforward to do?
Can you press the pin too much for example causing any issues?
As you can fully understand it's not an area that you really want to botch in any way or form as the aftermath could be disastrous.

Yes, you can overtighten the link if you spread the pin too hard. I use vernier calipers, tighten the tool slowly and stop once the rivet link is the same width as the other links. Easy.
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I can totally understand people being hesitant on doing it themselves though as it's such an important part of the bike that needs to be spot on.
Ideally i s'pose it would be nice to have an old chain to practice on so that you can then be totally confident with everything.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - robbo - 28-04-19

A decent rivetter would cost 50-60 quid, although the Afam one is cheaper and a good choice as it is just a rivetter whereas most sets include tools to assist the breaking of the chain, which an angle grinder will do. The link that was posted showing hollow and solid links need different tools to flare the link. Solid links are rarely chosen where a Whale is the best tool, as this is a hammered on link commonly used in race paddocks. There is a chain/sprocket kit using Ognibene sprockets which have the "silent" dampers on them. I deliberated over what to get quite recently, and eventually plumbed for a stock Yamaha front, which are quite expensive, and a steel Afam rear which is available in black, which I thought, looked good.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - bandit - 28-04-19

This is a video of the tool that is supplied with the chain & sprocket kit from Ebay earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISYlybsTVU

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 01:55 PM)bandit link Wrote: This is a video of the tool that is supplied with the chain & sprocket kit from Ebay earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISYlybsTVU

That is very useful - thanks. So am I right in thinking that a hollow rivet plink is only hollow on the ends. Also it sounds like you can not over tighten with that tool - is that correct too.

It looks fiddly even on a bench

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 12:43 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Fazerider link=topic=25205.msg297118#msg297118 date=1556451370]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=25205.msg297111#msg297111 date=1556450399]
I've never fitted a chain link myself, not on a motorbike anyway, so one question is can you get it very wrong or is it that straightforward to do?
Can you press the pin too much for example causing any issues?
As you can fully understand it's not an area that you really want to botch in any way or form as the aftermath could be disastrous.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - robbo - 28-04-19

Have bought stuff from Bike Torque Racing in the past, good firm to deal with.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 01:03 PM)robbo link Wrote: A decent rivetter would cost 50-60 quid, although the Afam one is cheaper and a good choice as it is just a rivetter whereas most sets include tools to assist the breaking of the chain, which an angle grinder will do. The link that was posted showing hollow and solid links need different tools to flare the link. Solid links are rarely chosen where a Whale is the best tool, as this is a hammered on link commonly used in race paddocks. There is a chain/sprocket kit using Ognibene sprockets which have the "silent" dampers on them. I deliberated over what to get quite recently, and eventually plumbed for a stock Yamaha front, which are quite expensive, and a steel Afam rear which is available in black, which I thought, looked good.

Thanks for clarifying the two different hollow and solid links.
Is the stock yam one the same with the orange section.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - robbo - 28-04-19

The stock Yamaha chain would have been endless so would have had a solid link, on an assembly line it's far quicker to hang a complete chain on the bike before installing the swingarm, than join a chain later in the building process.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 04:37 PM)robbo link Wrote: The stock Yamaha chain would have been endless so would have had a solid link, on an assembly line it's far quicker to hang a complete chain on the bike before installing the swingarm, than join a chain later in the building process.

I meant the front sprocket as the stock Yam has an orange damper insert. And how much was it.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 12:01 PM)bandit link Wrote: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-S-Fazer-98-03-DID-JT-Quiet-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-P1/283334074132?hash=item41f806df14:g:eH0AAOSwm79ckjyC

I see that they also sell a C+s kit that looks like it is an endless chain. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS600-S-Fazer-98-03-DID-VX-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-/192219748219?hash=item2cc130977b also comes with Afram sprockets. Think I will give them a call tomorrow.

Actually like the look of this "silent" front and rear kit https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS600-S-Fazer-98-03-DID-Silent-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-/132618719461?hash=item1ee0b110e5

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - bandit - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 04:44 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=robbo link=topic=25205.msg297136#msg297136 date=1556465827]
The stock Yamaha chain would have been endless so would have had a solid link, on an assembly line it's far quicker to hang a complete chain on the bike before installing the swingarm, than join a chain later in the building process.

I meant the front sprocket as the stock Yam has an orange damper insert. And how much was it.
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The original front sprocket is around £40.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 05:14 PM)bandit link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=25205.msg297137#msg297137 date=1556466289]
[quote author=robbo link=topic=25205.msg297136#msg297136 date=1556465827]
The stock Yamaha chain would have been endless so would have had a solid link, on an assembly line it's far quicker to hang a complete chain on the bike before installing the swingarm, than join a chain later in the building process.

I meant the front sprocket as the stock Yam has an orange damper insert. And how much was it.
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The original front sprocket is around £40.
[/quote]£40 :eek I like the look of the afram silent one in the kit which I think is £ 13 to buy on its own.So are people saying Afram are better or inferior to JT sprockets.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - bandit - 28-04-19

I prefer this one for £13 maybe because it looks like the Yam one,

[size=78%]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS600-S-Fazer-98-03-Ognibene-15T-Silent-Front-Sprocket-STD-Size/192224937034?hash=item2cc17fc44a:g:oIEAAOSwcCJckQf2[/size]

I would buy a chain kit with the normal rear sprocket & maybe steel front then buy my choice of rubber shocked front sprocket if I couldn't buy as a kit.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - robbo - 28-04-19

Can't remember what I paid for the stock front sprocket, but was pleasantly surprised that my Yam dealer had it in stock, although it's normally next day if ordered. Fowlers show it at £35 which sounds about right. I stuck with genuine as it had been on the bike for 14 years, 23k miles, and was in good nick when I removed it. No doubt I changed the chain/sprocket a bit too early but to my mind I'm good for another 20k+ and can forget about it other than lubing and any adjustment. I chose the Afam rear by design, as wanted steel and black in colour, which is an option. When I've bought chain/sprocket sets the usual make of sprocket has been JT or Sun and wouldn't consider them inferior and have used loads over the years. I liked the look of Renthal but for road use prefer steel so went for Afam as Rossi's got an Afam sticker on his bike :lol . What's good enough for him etc etc. Still ride like a twat though.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 06:37 PM)bandit link Wrote: I prefer this one for £13 maybe because it looks like the Yam one,

[size=78%]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS600-S-Fazer-98-03-Ognibene-15T-Silent-Front-Sprocket-STD-Size/192224937034?hash=item2cc17fc44a:g:oIEAAOSwcCJckQf2[/size]

I would buy a chain kit with the normal rear sprocket & maybe steel front then buy my choice of rubber shocked front sprocket if I couldn't buy as a kit.

That was exactly my thought too. I like the look of that one in your link. I am sure that if it is not in a kit they will put one together for me. So chain - normal rear and the yam - looking front. But I do like the look of those silent rear ones as they have prrredy looking slots cut out and in silver then I could get some stainless steel nuts to go with.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

(28-04-19, 07:04 PM)robbo link Wrote: No doubt I changed the chain/sprocket a bit too early but to my mind I'm good for another 20k+ and can forget about it other than lubing and any adjustment. I chose the Afam rear by design, as wanted steel and black in colour, which is an option.

I am only changing the chain cause it has a tight spot but the sprockets still look good to me at 22k, I will post some pictures of my front sprocket tomorrow and see what the general consensus is.

Has anyone had any issues in removing the nuts on the rear sprocket. I don't want to end up with exhaust nut/stud - gate :lol
I have heard on here about problems with brake disk nuts but what about the sprocket nuts.

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - fazersharp - 28-04-19

Also thinking about it - if I end up over tightening the link I could always grind it off and get a replacement link and have another go.

THANKS all for you input it is all helping me make my choice. :thumbup

Re: New Chain Time = Sprockets too ? - robbo - 28-04-19

Never had a problem removing sprocket nuts, a ring spanner and a whack with a rubber mallet, sorted. A stainless set is about 20 quid. Exactly right if you were unlucky to over tighten the soft link. Gold ones are about £6.50. You'll be fine, good luck.