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Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - rw711 - 20-01-17
Well I drained the oil and coolant. The oil was milky but c oolant clear. Gonna have a look at the plugs now.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - darrsi - 20-01-17
(20-01-17, 09:59 PM)rw711 link Wrote: Well I drained the oil and coolant. The oil was milky but c oolant clear. Gonna have a look at the plugs now.
Just bear in mind the cold weather, no doubt even colder where you are, so don't expect normal coloured oil.
I've seen a fine layer of mayo before in my oil window and nearly shat myself but it's just one of those things that is caused by short journeys/condensation.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - rw711 - 21-01-17
Well here's some more pics:
Oil like milky coffee, did not notice any metallic swarfs in it
Coolant seems normal
Plug seems normal, we got 1 & 4 out not tried the inner ones yet.
Difficult to decide whether to try refilling and see what happens? - or do something else.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - Graham53 - 21-01-17
You've got to look at all the plugs and I think before refilling it needs a flush through , you don't want any of the internal oil ways getting bunged up.
Just out of curiosity did you notice if the coolant level was low and by how much before you drained it ?
One positive by the looks of it is that oil didn't get into your coolant.
Has it had an oil filter fitted recently ??? Either by yourself or previous owner ?
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - rw711 - 21-01-17
(21-01-17, 01:35 AM)Graham53 link Wrote: You've got to look at all the plugs and I think before refilling it needs a flush through , you don't want any of the internal oil ways getting bunged up.Yep this was as far as we got - could do with checking other plugs,
Just out of curiosity did you notice if the coolant level was low and by how much before you drained it ?
One positive by the looks of it is that oil didn't get into your coolant.
Has it had an oil filter fitted recently ??? Either by yourself or previous owner ?
hard to tell with coolant - being new to the bike I didnt realise there was a seperate header tank ( on the kawasaki the filler and header tank were at the same place) also plenty of coolant spilt before I could get the drip tray under .
The oil filter and oil was what was in the bike when I got it, apart from the top-ups I did out on the road. I was going to do the full service after the Mot, had all this not happened!
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - darrsi - 21-01-17
And there was me thinking my bike was a conundrum!!!
I was gonna email you an address to get some sensibly priced decent oil as well to give you a bit of a break but they don't deliver to the highlands. :\
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - His Dudeness - 21-01-17
Have a look in the air box too. If it was over filled with oil there would be a good bit of oil in there but I think the plug you pulled probably rules out the way too much oil theory. I'd expect the plug to be black and wet due to oil getting force past the rings and to see multiple wet plugs not just one. If there's only one fouled plug and the rest are normal then there's a problem in that one cylinder. How did you drain the coolant did you pull a hose off or use the drain bolt? I'd suggest pulling the lowest hose off just to be sure that there's no gunk in there. A leak down tester would be really useful here. It would pin point where the problem is without taking the engine apart. You need an air compressor to use it though
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - Bretty - 21-01-17
So, who has ever filled (or seen) a fazer with so much oil in it, that it comes out the exhaust? Anyone?
come on, own up!
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - darrsi - 21-01-17
(21-01-17, 11:18 AM)His Dudeness link Wrote: Have a look in the air box too. If it was over filled with oil there would be a good bit of oil in there but I think the plug you pulled probably rules out the way too much oil theory. I'd expect the plug to be black and wet due to oil getting force past the rings and to see multiple wet plugs not just one. If there's only one fouled plug and the rest are normal then there's a problem in that one cylinder. How did you drain the coolant did you pull a hose off or use the drain bolt? I'd suggest pulling the lowest hose off just to be sure that there's no gunk in there. A leak down tester would be really useful here. It would pin point where the problem is without taking the engine apart. You need an air compressor to use it though
Yeah i hinted at that before about the liquid honeycomb that might be in the airbox.
One thing that i've never heard anyone mention before on this forum though is having to replace piston rings, it's just a non existent topic, not that i can remember anyway.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - His Dudeness - 21-01-17
(21-01-17, 12:16 PM)Bretty link Wrote: So, who has ever filled (or seen) a fazer with so much oil in it, that it comes out the exhaust? Anyone?
come on, own up!
In response to that I'd say who on here has seen a Fazer engine suddenly let go the way this one has? Some bikes do have sudden failures but these bikes have well designed tough engines. I haven't seen one just suddenly let go so that's why I was suggesting something unusual must have happened to this one.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - Fazerider - 21-01-17
There have been one or two instances of an engine letting go properly: conrod-through-the-crankcase type of failure, but they are rare. This sounds much less terminal.
I'd start spraying the exhaust clamps with PlusGas… a look into the exhaust ports might reveal oil trickling down a valve stem if a seal has failed. Still doesn't really explain the noise, nor the engine revving up by itself… even if oil was getting into the cylinders the compression (and the mixture) is insufficient to support combustion like a diesel engine.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - Jules-C - 21-01-17
Failed seal on inlet valve might draw enough oil through to increase idle speed? On other engine designs that deliver the oil to the head up one of the cylinder head bolt holes it could've been a head gasket blown between the oil feed and a cylinder.
Since there appears to be plenty of coolant left in the engine if it was the whole 2 litres is all the water in exhaust just the result of the fuel burning and getting trapped/emulsified by the oil in the exhaust so it is just oil getting blown through engine?
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - rw711 - 21-01-17
Quote:I'd suggest pulling the lowest hose off just to be sure that there's no gunk in there.Yeah the 2 hoses lowest at nearside going into pump.
I think that we have ruled out head gasket and too much oil -
- these failed seals ideas sound more likely to me - the bike was definitely passing oil into the exhaust and smelling like it was burning oil (smoky exhaust) though it wasnt really affecting how it was performing.
Have to say I am not really mechanically savvy enough to start stripping down inside the actual engine, really got this on the strength of the engine looking and sounding ok at the time and thinking I could fix the other issues - Ive talked to my friend and a few others that sometimes help and thinking that replacing engine even if it is a straight swap (not actually stripping the insides) would probably be beyond our abilitites. Likely to find its way on to the classifieds or get broken up and sold I think.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - Bretty - 22-01-17
How did you rule out the head gasket?
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - Fazerider - 22-01-17
Seems a little early to give up surely?
If you've space to work and a few tools a bit of further investigation won't be difficult. Have you even looked at the inner plugs yet?
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - robby boy - 22-01-17
I would pull out the spark plugs and have a look at them, they may show something like oil/water deposits.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - rw711 - 22-01-17
(22-01-17, 11:20 AM)Bretty link Wrote: How did you rule out the head gasket?
We thought that there should be oil in the coolant if it was the head gasket.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - unfazed - 23-01-17
Could be the other way round also.
Pull all the plugs and put numbers on a piece of cardboard locate the relevant plugs next to the numbers and post the pictures of the ends, that will tell you and us something :thumbup
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - rw711 - 09-02-17
After alot of thinking about it I have decided that I cannot really commit further money & time as I dont have the skills to start stripping engine or replacing I have decided to sell on the bike, for what I paid : will put the MOT & fixes down to experience .
Appreciate all the help offered - bike available here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,21815.0.html
may break if enough interest.
Re: PICs now Added - Oil coming through exhaust. - tommyardin - 10-02-17
Sorry to hear that it has to go. :faz :'(
What will you do bike wise now? Get another Fazer? Or has that put you off.
I hope not because I think you were very unfortunate, makes me wonder if the previous owner knew something you did not.
The fZS 600 is a great bike and seems willing to please, They go very well for a 600 Tourer, with a top end around the high
130-140mph, some claim 150mph, but mine will not do that (But it is only in Primer yet)
0-60 in less than 4 seconds.
If it was a 2002-2003 Foxeye I would consider it myself for a full rebuild.
I hope someone buys it and rebuilds it as it looks a nice bike (Gumtree pictures) shame to break it.
Good luck rw711, keep us old foccers informed.
tommy