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Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Robbie8666 - 01-10-12
all i can say is if I lost my licence I would be stuffed!!!
i have 3 points for using a mobile May 2011 (guilty as charged! )
3 points for speeding (43 in 30 limit) Guilty even though I didn't know it limit had changed from 40 to 30 600 meters down the road (March 12)
then in april 12 I got done for speeding on A303 doing 81 in national speed limit (guiltyagain!) however that would've taken me to 9 points and the next 3 would've seen me automatiaclly banned!!) so to the Driver awareness course (as discussed in another thread) so points remain at 6
and am now driving very cautiously!!
bike laid up til next year but will still have to be careful til may 2014!
dropping my speed has added a bit of extra time ( 5 mins going to work & 15/20 mins driving home at weekends) however I have increase my MPG from 50 to 65+ in my cage so I am actually saving money and not getting half as stressed as I was before!!
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - smithfz - 01-10-12
Can you get a license in another country like ireland ?
http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/home/index.asp
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 01-10-12
(01-10-12, 01:52 PM)goldfazer link Wrote: Blimey Rusty - you've just admitted to defrauding the Courts as well :lolYes I know, and I haven't the slightest concern about that, for who's going to testify against me...Me? :lol
[size=1em]Anyway, I take the view that in the two highest houses of our land, there are people who address each other as 'Honourable' and 'Right honourable' members that are guilty of far greater fraud on a daily basis. And often the cost of their deceit are not only expenses fiddled but millions of innocent lives lost. I don't think my twenty quid really ranks up there with that.[/size]
[size=1em]Lawrence that example was back in the days when I was innocent in all senses of the word. I had the attitude (and still do) that if I have done wrong then fair enough I'll pay the price. What has transpired since then has been the creeping authoritarianism we see today, where innocents (politically) are browbeaten into filling the coffers. I no longer feel I have a say in how my country is run, by whom, and to what ends, which is why I pretty much see to myself and reject the silliness and tyranny of the automatons.[/size]
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Pat - 01-10-12
(01-10-12, 03:29 PM)grum_pe1@hotmail.com link Wrote: Can you get a license in another country like ireland ?
http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/home/index.asp
No.
If you've been banned in this country you've been banned from driving on the UK roads period, it doesn't matter if you have any number of valid driving licences issued by other countries you're still banned.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Dave48 - 01-10-12
Rusty, I agree completely with your last post. If we meekly act(fail to act) like sheep those elected & non-elected "honourable gentlemen" will continue to shaft us at every opportunity. The last time I voted the b******s sold me and the rest like me out to the tories. "Democracy" in action!. Historically those in power maintained their position by keeping the masses in ignorance..dont see that anythings changed since. To stand by and watch is to be guilty by acquiescence/appeasement in my opinion. We "enjoy" precious few freedoms now so dont just sit back & pretend everything is rosy. :eek
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 02-10-12
It's gone beyond that Dave. I, like millions of others voted for Blair's Labour in '97 because we saw he had the real opportunity to create a new and fairer society. He had the country behind him, and a spirit of optimism prevailed. - So look what happened. :\
What was done to us wasn't done through incompetence, it's part of the agenda. We should forget all this Tory vs Labour divisionist type thinking - that belongs to the 20th century. Today people need to recognise that although Political parties might say different things, whoever is in office then furthers the same agenda by what they do. That is by moving toward the centralisation of power, corporate involvement in policy making, and (engineered) unrest at home and abroad in order to increase the power of the state by ever tighter control.
There comes a point when people become apathetic regarding politics, saying 'it's boring' or some other excuse for their lack of involvement, but I really believe that anyone who has children or grandchildren should be very interested in politics, because it's no longer your own future you are fighting for, but theirs.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Dave48 - 02-10-12
In 1997 my eldest son was ecstatic @ New Labours victory ( he was just 16 & becoming politically aware) I told him then not to be too disappointed when the mood of optimism passed. I grew up in the 60s & there was a genuine feeling that we could make the world a better place but of course we ended up disillusioned. When I cast my vote for the Libs I knew deep down it wouldnt make the slightest difference since the power behind the politics is the global marketplace and in the pursuit of power the ends always justifies the means.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 02-10-12
Precisely, how pleased I am to hear from someone who 'gets it'.
I find it incredible that many consider politics to be something that is pretty much undertaken by others on their behalf. They openly admit that they mistrust politicians, yet put their own and their children's future in the hands of those very people - It's madness! Slowly though people are waking up to the fact that as a nation we're all being diddled. I've given up trying to convince people of it, all I ask now is that they look around for themselves and ask for explanations as to why things are like they are today, in the fourth richest nation on the planet!
To quote Schopenhauer:
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
George Carlin ~ The American Dream
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - breadlord - 02-10-12
Schopenhauer was a fucking mental case who believed women were innately servile and whose mentalist views were a major influence on Nietzsche, and was in vogue in Germany in the earlier part of the 20th Century.
Refutation of statutory law is one of those arguments mentalists who scream they can't be arrested because of the Magna Carta use.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 02-10-12
Oops! Perhaps Schopenhauers truth theory has already reached the second stage. :lol
Well thank you for the potted history lesson breadlord but we could have googled that for ourselves. I'm not sure what those comments are meant to add to the discussion though? You don't say if you believe the refutation of statute law has any basis in Common law? Is it valid? Or even how you know this? Forget Schopenhauer, what is your evaluation of the question? Surely you would know if you are qualified to make such bold statements, or are you prepared to condemn people as 'mentalists' without even looking into the facts? Please tell us what you know so we can all go check what you say against cold empirical evidence.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Chillum - 02-10-12
(01-10-12, 12:36 PM)Tiberius Onklevaart link Wrote: This is about to become a john Harris love in. I'll just get lizard people mentioned before anyone else gets a chance
I mentioned the lizard people once, but I think I got away with it. :eek
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 02-10-12
![[Image: lizard.jpg]](http://dungheap.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/lizard.jpg)
Don't matter if its the Lizard people or the f*ckin Village people - they're all just different states of mind. :lol If the Triune brain theory is correct then we're all 'Lizard people', all you need to qualify is a to own a brain.....
![[Image: villagepeople-1.jpg]](http://southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/villagepeople-1.jpg)
Ok that let's these guys off the hook then. :lol
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - breadlord - 03-10-12
(02-10-12, 03:17 PM)Rusty link Wrote: Oops! Perhaps Schopenhauers truth theory has already reached the second stage. :lol
Well thank you for the potted history lesson breadlord but we could have googled that for ourselves. I'm not sure what those comments are meant to add to the discussion though? You don't say if you believe the refutation of statute law has any basis in Common law? Is it valid? Or even how you know this? Forget Schopenhauer, what is your evaluation of the question? Surely you would know if you are qualified to make such bold statements, or are you prepared to condemn people as 'mentalists' without even looking into the facts? Please tell us what you know so we can all go check what you say against cold empirical evidence. :)
Right then, here we go...
I am well aware of the arguments you're spouting off. I've been involved with the occupy movement, and anti-Tory groups in general, and this dreck was pushed at a lot of us. Most of us however, aren't conspiracy nuts. We just want to see people pay what they owe.
The position you are espousing is that of the "Freemen on the land", a libertarian group who consider statutory law to be a series of contracts that can be opted out of by speaking the right words - if you send a cheque for a pound on a £2,000 bill it should clear the whole thing if you write "In full and final settlement". That kind of thing.
Essentially, the argument goes that statutory law, that is, law that is codified is merely a contract, and that you can hack your way through the system, right? Common law, or case law is meant to be the only real law that applies to a person, and not a legal entity joined to them. Generally this takes the form of invoking 61st clause of the Magna Carta. This gave the barons the right to usurp the king's power. But it only applied for three months and was repealed by the only entity who could judge a king at the time, the Pope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta#Clause_61
However, if it's the case that common law can override the statutory, then surely court, the common law body should recognise them, right?
Errr. No. The case law supports the opposite. Every time someone tries to invoke freeman arguments they get shot the fuck down. Here's just a couple of hilarious examples:
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/9918044.Jail_for_man_who_refused__to_be_governed_/
http://www.scotsman.com/news/freemen-are-told-they-will-be-tried-1-1523844
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2011/B15.html
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/a-person-is-a-person-b-c-judge-rules-1.524099
In all cases, it's some deluded twat who gets caught doing something, then uses pseudolaw to bullshit their way out of it. It doesn't work. Ever.
Frankly, what seems to have happened here is that you committed ABH and were jailed for it. You weren't afforded the same treatment as others having committed the same crime, for which it is a sensible thing to be pissed about. However, you have since concluded that the government has no right to have tried you, not that rich people have an advantage. This might be all balled up with hate for fucking Thatcher, which is also a fine thing in itself.
Feel free to tell me that the UK is under maritime law.
Or that I can avoid speeding tickets by referring to myself as "Tom, of the family Bradshaw" as it dissociates me from my legal Strawman
Or that the meaning of words used in legal documents can be twisted to mean anything at all.
NONE of what you have said is true
It is ALL angry armchair politics
There is no global conspiracy designed to keep us in serfdom
I don't know you, you could be a top lad, but this kind of thing is mental, and beneath you.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 03-10-12
(03-10-12, 02:21 AM)breadlord link Wrote:
I don't know you, you could be a top lad, but this kind of thing is mental, and beneath you.
Ah now we're getting somewhere.
Firstly, your correct in that you don't know me, nor anything about the circumstances I referred to. All you believe you know is based on assumption, without having the facts. I'd like to point out that the mention of the freeman on the land scenario wasn't something I was 'spouting off', or even espousing, it was a point of view held by some that I explained in response to a question asked.
I find it amusing that you cheer-lead your involvement with the pseudo socialist 'occupy group', who were originally thrown off land near the stock exchange only to take refuge under the jurisdiction of the church, which was itself only possible by taking advantage of an institution possessed of rights older than the statutes used to shift you there. So it appears the claimed knowledge you have of the law was insufficient to protect you from that? Your subsequent retreat to the sanctity of church grounds thus akin to running home to mummy.
You are obviously quite prepared to spatter everyone who disagrees with your Marxist point of view with titles like 'mentalists' 'nuts' 'twats' and similar insults, while failing to see that the majority of the general public conceived Occupy as a bunch of tiresome hippy twats with no work to go to.
(03-10-12, 02:21 AM)breadlord link Wrote: However, you have since concluded that the government has no right to have tried you, not that rich people have an advantage. This might be all balled up with hate for fucking Thatcher, which is also a fine thing in itself.
At no point have I said this? Again it is an assumption you have made, and from your obvious bile filled hatred for a political leader that has been out of office for twenty fucking years (get over it) I might be tempted make an assumption of my own - that you're plainly out of touch with reality, and quite possibly a middle class boy full of self loathing for the benefits you have had while playing the revolutionary to square the circle. To paraphrase, I don't know you, you could be a top lad, but this is beneath you.
It is true that some poor 'deluded twats' as you call them, attempt to challenge statute law and repeatedly come worse off, and the reason for this is that they are deluded twats who are bound to fail through their lack of knowledge. This does not prove as you state that the premise of their argument is incorrect, just that they themselves have insufficient knowledge of it. Roger Hayes is not such a person, and when dealing with people like Roger, people who DO know the law and it's associated implications this is what they do.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/roger-hayes-arrested-tried-secret-court-imprisoned
I won't go into a tedious list of links to prove my point, I don't need to as the one above is the reality, and an indication of how 'the law' is selectively adhered to. My point is and has been that you cannot have a law that applies only in certain circumstances to certain individuals. There is either due process in law or there isn't, what has freeman ideology or anything else got to do with that?
(03-10-12, 02:21 AM)breadlord link Wrote: NONE of what you have said is true
This is because you say so I take it? :rolleyes
(03-10-12, 02:21 AM)breadlord link Wrote: There is no global conspiracy designed to keep us inserfdom
Then what the fuck were you doing cluttering up (and littering) the concourse of Saint Pauls ? Now let's all stand for a rousing chorus of 'The Internationale'. :z
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - breadlord - 03-10-12
Sorry, but I do know who Hayes is. He went to jail because her invoked clause 61 of the Magna Carta as a 'Tax Protest', which isn't valid.
The only references to him being disappeared are on freemen blogs.
Surely if he, like you pretend to, knew his way around the law, he wouldn't have gone to prison? Or is that just me?
It amuses me that you drop to the language of class-warfare to put yourself above any argument. I also find it amusing that you haven't posted any source documents, as we're both aware they're just going to be links to articles written inline by idiotic freemen.
You're a tool. You don't know what you're talking about.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Rusty - 03-10-12
(03-10-12, 12:55 PM)breadlord link Wrote:Err... It's just you. You are selectively denying actual events because they don't fit in with your point of view. Due process was ignored, therefore his arrest and detention were illegal. Not under any 'freeman' concept of the law, but under any understanding of it whatsoever.
Surely if he, like you pretend to, knew his way around the law, he wouldn't have gone to prison? Or is that just me?
(03-10-12, 12:55 PM)breadlord link Wrote: You're a tool. You don't know what you're talking about.Thanks for that. Is that another case of 'because you say so'?
I’ll begin this reply by thanking the moderators of this site for their restraint, thus allowing a free and fair exchange of opinions to ensue. Well done chaps I tip my hat to you. I’m not sure this subject is of any interest to fellow forum members, but I feel it is their right to know.
When I read breadlord’s initial post I was reminded of a child who shouts in an empty building just to hear the reflected sound.. The post said nothing, but said it loudly. It appeared to be delivered in the belief that the more expletive ridden venom it spewed forth the more profound was the truth it claimed.
The reality is there are political forces at work today that many do not comprehend, in fact they are beyond our understanding. Secrets are being kept that if released would cause a total paradigm shift. The old divisions of class war, race, or religion have now become irrelevant. I care not whether you are a posh boy from Eton, a former council estate lad like myself, a Hindu Sikh or the grand Mufti of Timbuk-fecking-Too, we will all fall victim to the coming agenda.
It is usual when confronted with an uncomfortable truth for people to ridicule or explain it away. It’s what people do, it makes them feel safe. Mentalist? Deluded twat? Conspiracy theorist? All much the same response received by the people of Liverpool regarding Hillsborough, the investigators of Watergate, or the family of our own Dr. David Kelly. I find it sad that well intentioned folk become embroiled in pointless divisionism, many are young and idealistic but they become pawns in the game, perpetuating a 19th century schism into the 21st century. They are the ‘useful Idiots’ Karl Marx referred to.
Breadlord’s subsequent post contained nothing that displayed an understanding of the situation any deeper than a five minute ‘Google’ could provide, the truth is that far from there being a conspiracy merely to keep us in serfdom, the reality much much worse. “So how do you know Rusty?” I hear you ask, and the answer is that while much of the truth is hidden, much is also hidden in plain sight.
Here’s how it works. Many people are claiming for example to have seen UFO’s.
Nut jobs obviously, let’s ridicule and laugh at them for they are obviously the ‘deluded twats’ of breadlord’s post. They claim to see strange triangular craft that perform silent manouvres beyond the capability of known technology, no doubt also piloted by little green men ha ha ha?
So how many of you have heard of the TR-3B? A secret military craft that has existed since the mid 1980’s, which uses a silent propulsion system based on field technology. It flies by manipulation of the gravitational force of the earth. A hoax? Unfortunately not, and they are currently being sighted over Syria. So if you were one of those that thought the American B2 wing or F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter was at the cutting edge of military technology then you’re in for a rude awakening - This was cutting edge…. 25 years ago! Here’s one.
![[Image: image009.png]](http://www.listrocket.com/ktml2/user/1241_M837Hca3MN/images/uploads/1241_z8ihoiwKPI9p9l5GoiAk_files/image009.png)

Here’s one in flight. [size=78%]Amazing triangle UFO Oregon[/size]
Still think there’s little green men in there? Or is ridicule deliberately encouraged to discredit witnesses because the government’s not telling you something? Ok, anyone wonder why the global weather has had so many so called ‘extreme weather events’ recently? Climate change? Well yes the climate is changing because it’s also being manipulated by something called HAARP technology which was built by BAE systems.
What HAARP does is to send concentrated microwaves up into the Earths Ionisphere manipulating same and thus changing weather patterns. It can also be used to cause earthquakes or precipitate volcanic eruptions. It was developed as a weapon. Natural earthquakes have pulse waves, those caused by HAARP have none. Too far fetched? Unbelievable? Well the EU don’t think so as they are rather worried about it’s use.
Here you go, scroll down to article 24.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/pv2/pv2?PRG=DOCPV&APP=PV2&DATE=280199&DATEF=990128&TPV=DEF&TYPEF=A4&POS=1&SDOCTA=8&TXTLST=1&Type_Doc=RESOL&PrgPrev=TYPEF@A4|PRG@QUERY|APP@PV2|FILE@BIBLIO99|NUMERO@5|YEAR@99|PLAGE@1&LANGUE=EN
Your local Euro MP forgotten to inform you of all this? Well, probably an oversight on his part eh? It’s nothing new though, HAARP has been around since the 1990’s when… hey…. funilly enough the weather started changing. Unlike others I don’t simply proclaim this to be so, I just inform you of the facts and give you the knowledge to investigate and reach your own conclusions.
It’s nothing new, just a continuation of the first experiments from 1952 project Cumulous.
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/philip-eden/Lynmouth-Flood-man-made.htm
My point is there are far more things to heaven and earth than we the public are being informed of. Disinformation, talk of lizard people, or 'deluded twat' type smears are grist to the mill for the agencies that are manipulating world events to suit their agenda. It’s what they want.
Ask yourselves why you didn’t know there was a machine that can manipulate the weather? And why was it built? Ask yourself do you trust our politicians to act in YOUR best interest - or theirs? Whatever you take from this just start asking questions, and don’t take the word of those who smugly console you with assurances that everything is alright with as much sincerity as Arthur Daley selling a used motor.
Apparently I'm a tool. And I know nothing. Despite my not appearing on any register, electoral roll or official document. Despite having sources that actually worked on this technology, one or two of whom I might add are now dead for revealing what they knew. So tool or not maybe.... just maybe, I may have opened a few eyes.
Thank you - make your own minds up I'll shut up now! :lol
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Lawrence - 03-10-12
(03-10-12, 01:48 PM)Rusty link Wrote: Ask yourselves why you didn’t know there was a machine that can manipulate the weather? And why was it built? Ask yourself do you trust our politicians to act in YOUR best interest - or theirs? Whatever you take from this just start asking questions, and don’t take the word of those who smugly console you with assurances that everything is alright with as much sincerity as Arthur Daley selling a used motor.There was outcry in this country when it was announced that VAT was going to be charged on Cornish pasties. If it was announced officially that the government (or another government) was controlling the weather half the country's heads would explode.
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - richfzs - 03-10-12
Am thoroughly enjoying this Frank and free exchange of views - long may it continue
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Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Grahamm - 03-10-12
(03-10-12, 02:48 PM)richfzs link Wrote: Am thoroughly enjoying this Frank and free exchange of views - long may it continue
Me too (pass the popcorn, would you?)
Re: What would you do if you lost your license? - Tiberius Onklevaart - 03-10-12
(03-10-12, 02:20 PM)Lawrence link Wrote: [quote author=Rusty link=topic=4806.msg41618#msg41618 date=1349268506]Ask yourselves why you didn’t know there was a machine that can manipulate the weather? And why was it built? Ask yourself do you trust our politicians to act in YOUR best interest - or theirs? Whatever you take from this just start asking questions, and don’t take the word of those who smugly console you with assurances that everything is alright with as much sincerity as Arthur Daley selling a used motor.There was outcry in this country when it was announced that VAT was going to be charged on Cornish pasties. If it was announced officially that the government (or another government) was controlling the weather half the country's heads would explode.
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The problem being?