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Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - goldfazer - 21-01-12
I don't have a problem with hi-vis. I usually wear on the Fazer, and wear bright colours on the pushbike. (Makes me laugh when peeps ask me why I don't wear a push-bike helmet when they're wearing black/grey in the winter!). It's all about taking responsibility for you own safety, and if it moves the odds a few points in my favour, job done! Just cos I ride a m/bike doesn't make some kind of rebel against humanity, it's cos it avoids jams and is fun
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - pitternator - 22-01-12
well some might say it indeed does make you a rebel !...( bloody cyclists !
)my stance is if it works, am happy to comply if its what I want to do...but really we have to see the reverse side of the coin here which could follow on .... How long before we as bikers get reduced payouts from no fault accidents , or even are made to share blame if we dont wear hi viz...that is really my concern at such legislation.
I do agree though ... a black bike, black leathers , in winter ...yep it is a recipe for not being seen. But on a bright sunny day at other times of the year ?
Hence why it should be voluntary. And why after 37 yrs riding, luckily surviving so long ! ... I am a defensive rider. That to me is more important than just sticking on a hi viz.
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Grahamm - 22-01-12
Yesteday I was riding up the A29, broad daylight, hi-viz on, headlamp on and, within the space of five minutes had *two* idiots nearly pull out on me from the left because neither made proper observation. :rolleyes
Fortunately *I* was watching *them*, so nothing nasty happened, but it just goes to show that all the visibility aids in the world won't help against stupid drivers.
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Gingernutz - 23-01-12
I live in granny land where half the drivers around me are 70+ years of age. I wear hiviz religiously because I like to give them every chance of seeing me. I dispair at this time of year of cyclists with no lights and dark clothes especially on unlit country roads (I've had to swerve to avoid two in the last six weeks). I know a few people have said they don't reckon it helps and they or their mates have been hit wearing hi-viz - the problem is that its kind of hard to prove you haven't been hit because you were wearing it.
......... But I would join a march protesting against any law forcing me to wear it. This is a matter of free choice.
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - shady - 24-01-12
Yes l agree with freedom of choice though personally it doesn't bother me l wear a hi viz all the time, whilst commuting (which l do daily) or riding fast country lanes anything that helps me be seen better is worth the effort :rolleyes
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Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Grahamm - 24-01-12
I've just remembered something which has been kicking around the back of my mind since this discussion started.
In WWII the Americans had a project called "Yehudi" which involved putting lights on the front of aircraft to camouflage them. Now this may sound ridiculous, but what it meant is that rather that having a dark aeroplane which would show up against a lighter sky, by brightening the silhouette of the aeroplane, it could be made to "disappear" by removing the contrast between the plane and the sky.
As such, this gives a reason why Hi-Viz isn't suitable for all conditions, eg a bright sunny day where the light colour of the Hi-Viz would actually "fade" into the background instead of standing out, making the biker less visible.
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Slaninar - 24-01-12
(24-01-12, 02:47 AM)Grahamm link Wrote:I've just remembered something which has been kicking around the back of my mind since this discussion started.
In WWII the Americans had a project called "Yehudi" which involved putting lights on the front of aircraft to camouflage them. Now this may sound ridiculous, but what it meant is that rather that having a dark aeroplane which would show up against a lighter sky, by brightening the silhouette of the aeroplane, it could be made to "disappear" by removing the contrast between the plane and the sky.
As such, this gives a reason why Hi-Viz isn't suitable for all conditions, eg a bright sunny day where the light colour of the Hi-Viz would actually "fade" into the background instead of standing out, making the biker less visible.
Even in bright day light, Hi-Vis jackets catch my attention quickly.
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Phil TK - 24-01-12
(24-01-12, 08:21 AM)Slaninar link Wrote:Even in bright day light, Hi-Vis jackets catch my attention quickly.
Flouro jackets/material actually reflects back more light energy than the ambient light level hitting them so in practise they are in fact brighter
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - bigralphie - 24-01-12
Reflective stuff is fine most biker clothing and boots have it anyway, but I’m too much of a power ranger for hi-viz all the time .
And as said hi viz is a background palette now ,my instructors jacket is covered in hi viz panels and checker boards but I didn’t feel it stopped other drivers cutting me up or pulling out
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Sunny Intervals - 24-01-12
(24-01-12, 12:05 AM)shady link Wrote:Yes l agree with freedom of choice though personally it doesn't bother me l wear a hi viz all the time, whilst commuting (which l do daily) or riding fast country lanes anything that helps me be seen better is worth the effort :rolleyes
Take the same photograph with correctly adjusted car headlights, no camera flash, and the person in Hi Viz standing at the 3 breaking distances in the highway code.
:rolleyes
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - locksmith - 24-01-12
IIRC hi-vis is bright yellow for the daytime and the reflective panels are for low light/night, so the bright yellow wont disappear in the sunlight.
Anyway, on the railways they use orange rather than yellow, I wonder what the reason for that is?
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - bikerboys - 24-01-12
The orange is as easy to spot as the yellow,due to the background darker colours, but the orange does not show the dirt in the same way yellow jackets do
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - shady - 24-01-12
Sunny Intervals Quote :- Take the same photograph with correctly adjusted car headlights, no camera flash, and the person in Hi Viz standing at the 3 breaking distances in the highway code.
The pic was taken with a small digital camera
anyone spot the guy in the background on the right sat down with his glowing Hi Viz ? l hope so otherwise l'd be worried about your observation skills :lol
Re: Hi-vis law in France and Ireland passed, who's next?? - Grahamm - 24-01-12
(24-01-12, 08:21 AM)Slaninar link Wrote:Even in bright day light, Hi-Vis jackets catch my attention quickly.
But you still have to be *looking*. As I mentioned above, on the A29 within the space of five minutes *two* drivers nearly pulled out on me because they didn't look properly.