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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
(26-03-16, 06:56 PM)Didier9 link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=6412.msg227623#msg227623 date=1459009279]Tommy,
Only had my 2002 model, 2003 registered Fazer FZS 600 for a couple of years and i'm not really a scratcher, so, the suspension has not really been a huge problem for me but have often thought that the back could do with a bit more control over what is happening back there on faster bumpy bends.
The R6 Shock that you mention, any more information would be helpful.
Cheers didier9 or is that 99 or maybe 999, stop stop now! FFS!. :lol
What prompted me to look into the rear shock was riding my daughter's new FZ-07 for a few days while my bike was in the shop for fork rebuild. The FZ-07 was very much planted in the rear compared to my bike. Going over the same bumpy turns that I am well used to, her bike would go over the same bumps without changing line, where my bike would require corrections because the rear wanted to go wide. I regularly read the yamahafz1oa.com and 998cc.com forums and many people on those have made the R6 shock upgrade and generally think fairly highly of it, considering the modest cost.
I bought a (like new) R6 shock on eBay for $50 and dogbones/washers sold by a guy on the west coast for $40. You need new dogbones because the R6 shock is a little shorter and you need the washers because the lower bracket on the R6 shock is a little narrower. Aside from being a better device, the R6 shock also has fast and slow compression damping adjustments, compared to the single compression damping adjustment on the FZ1's. Now I only need a week end (hopefully) to do the conversion.
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Yeah I'm going to look into this R6 shock conversion, been trolling the net and there is lots on there about it. All the comments are very very positive about the conversion, improved ride feel, handling in general, and a great improvement in steering as well. Sounds like a win win situation to me.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - unfazed - 27-03-16
Your are frequenting far to many fast food outlets on that slow silver fazer :rollin
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
Seems like there are a few different R6 shocks out there, some on eBay look different than others I have seen, some have a piggyback adjustment screw while other have two separate screws others appear to have a totally different bottom Fixing than others.
Any chance of a picture or three of the best one to go for.
I can get the spacer shims made up and I understand that I will need new doggies and maybe a heavier spring for my weight to get the right sag amount I understand it should be between 30-40 mm with me on the bike with all my riding gear on.
Thanks Didier9 for the quick reply and helpful info.
:thumbup :woot [size=78%] [/size]
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 12:08 AM)unfazed link Wrote: Your are frequenting far to many fast food outlets on that slow silver fazer :rollin
I will have you know that I am a slim little 178 pounder.
Mind you I am only 2foot 4inches tall and have to wear 7 inch stilettos other wise the bike fall arse over head when I stop. :rollin [size=78%] [/size]
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
just noticed that in my last post about my size even the FOC software is now taking the piss out of me it say I'm only 78% size
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - unfazed - 27-03-16
Tommy, the truth hurts, everything reducing with age :lol
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Freck - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 12:22 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: have to wear 7 inch stilettosJust because it's a long weekend don't be dragging us into your pervy games! :rollin
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tex - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 12:18 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: Seems like there are a few different R6 shocks out there, some on eBay look different than others I have seen, some have a piggyback adjustment screw while other have two separate screws others appear to have a totally different bottom Fixing than others.
Any chance of a picture or three of the best one to go for.
I can get the spacer shims made up and I understand that I will need new doggies and maybe a heavier spring for my weight to get the right sag amount I understand it should be between 30-40 mm with me on the bike with all my riding gear on.
Thanks Didier9 for the quick reply and helpful info.
:thumbup :woot [size=78%] [/size]
Have a look at the thou corner , at the top of the page, should be all the info you need, or better still buy one off the devil ready to fit kit.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Didier9 - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 12:18 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: Seems like there are a few different R6 shocks out there, some on eBay look different than others I have seen, some have a piggyback adjustment screw while other have two separate screws others appear to have a totally different bottom Fixing than others.
Any chance of a picture or three of the best one to go for.
I can get the spacer shims made up and I understand that I will need new doggies and maybe a heavier spring for my weight to get the right sag amount I understand it should be between 30-40 mm with me on the bike with all my riding gear on.
Thanks Didier9 for the quick reply and helpful info.
:thumbup :woot [size=78%] [/size]
You need to check the postings to make sure but most use the 2008 or later R6 shock, which is what I got.
I bought the dog bones from Dean Dinnetz on the yamahafz1oa.com forum.
![[Image: R6_shock_and_dogbones.jpg]](http://www.ko4bb.com/FZ1/R6_shock_and_dogbones.jpg)
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Dave48 - 27-03-16
Does the R6 shock conversion apply to the FZS 600? I know Luke does a replacement shock + fittings for the THOU
tommyyardin how much you looking to spend? The Wilbers unit I had made up for my 600 with spring designed to suit my weight/riding style cost £295-unlike the OE shock the Wilbers is rebuildable/serviceable. Best £300 I have spent in a long time. Its transformed the bike :lol
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Didier9 - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 02:06 PM)Dave48 link Wrote: Does the R6 shock conversion apply to the FZS 600? I know Luke does a replacement shock + fittings for the THOU
tommyyardin how much you looking to spend? The Wilbers unit I had made up for my 600 with spring designed to suit my weight/riding style cost £295-unlike the OE shock the Wilbers is rebuildable/serviceable. Best £300 I have spent in a long time. Its transformed the bike :lol
I honestly have no idea. I believe the FZS600 is sold in the US as the FZ6, but I am not sure that they are actually the same bike, and I do not know if the shocks are the same.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Didier9 - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 12:18 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: I will need new doggies and maybe a heavier spring for my weight to get the right sag amount I understand it should be between 30-40 mm with me on the bike with all my riding gear on.
Thanks Didier9 for the quick reply and helpful info.
The R6 shock is a little stiffer than the stock FZS1000, so you may be just fine with it (the shock itself is actually quite a bit stiffer, but the new dogbones temper that somewhat, so after the upgrade, the suspension is supposed to be about 15% stiffer)
Apparently, the stock shock on the FZS10000 has a tendency to bottom out (due to soft spring and lack of fast/slow compression damping adjustment), so the R6 shock is supposed to help with that. I have not personally experienced it even though I am at least 210 lbs with gear but I do not ride hard.
Someone on the FZ1OA forum said the shock from the S1000RR is even better, but a quick look shows that it is hard to get and quite a bit more expensive (more like >$250) so I did not go that route.
Also suggested was to have the shock rebuilt by Traxxion in the US. That also is upward of $400 (plus shipping both ways, plus no bike for a couple of weeks at best) so that was out of the question for me as well.
For me, I will just be happy if the rear of the bike tracks as well as my daughter's FZ-07's when I am done with it. The FZS1000 fork is fine, as long as you have it serviced regularly.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 09:45 AM)Freck link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=6412.msg227685#msg227685 date=1459034571]Just because it's a long weekend don't be dragging us into your pervy games! :rollin
have to wear 7 inch stilettos
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Nothing Pervy about that its the norm over here in Hampshire UK. :moon
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 03:03 PM)Didier9 link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=6412.msg227682#msg227682 date=1459034294]
I will need new doggies and maybe a heavier spring for my weight to get the right sag amount I understand it should be between 30-40 mm with me on the bike with all my riding gear on.
Thanks Didier9 for the quick reply and helpful info.
The R6 shock is a little stiffer than the stock FZS1000, so you may be just fine with it (the shock itself is actually quite a bit stiffer, but the new dogbones temper that somewhat, so after the upgrade, the suspension is supposed to be about 15% stiffer)
Apparently, the stock shock on the FZS10000 has a tendency to bottom out (due to soft spring and lack of fast/slow compression damping adjustment), so the R6 shock is supposed to help with that. I have not personally experienced it even though I am at least 210 lbs with gear but I do not ride hard.
Someone on the FZ1OA forum said the shock from the S1000RR is even better, but a quick look shows that it is hard to get and quite a bit more expensive (more like >$250) so I did not go that route.
Also suggested was to have the shock rebuilt by Traxxion in the US. That also is upward of $400 (plus shipping both ways, plus no bike for a couple of weeks at best) so that was out of the question for me as well.
For me, I will just be happy if the rear of the bike tracks as well as my daughter's FZ-07's when I am done with it. The FZS1000 fork is fine, as long as you have it serviced regularly.
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Hi again Didier9,
I will need to look into the costs involved in doing the upgrade as I am a retired old git now and the pennies need to be watched. I also run a small sports car and a Vauxhall van.
I have kept the Mrs working for a few more years to help fund my passions (Mechanical) lol!
Bless her heart she still a baby, I married a Toy Girl. :lol
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Didier9 - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 03:20 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: Hi again Didier9,
I will need to look into the costs involved in doing the upgrade as I am a retired old git now and the pennies need to be watched. I also run a small sports car and a Vauxhall van.
I know the feeling, retirement is around the corner for me and I am absolutely unprepared (a divorce 8 years ago took care of my retirement fund and a third of my income)... I do try to spend my money wisely. I paid $2,500 for this '03 with 13,000 miles (when I bought it) and the most significant upgrades so far have been Ivan's jet kit (about $400 with the installation and carb cleaning, which was needed), HID projectors (about $60) and an Ohlins steering damper ($200)
From what I have read, the R6 shock mod is by far the best bang for the buck, suspension-wise. I will comment on what I think of it when I actually do the swap.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 03:39 PM)Didier9 link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=6412.msg227722#msg227722 date=1459088454]
Hi again Didier9,
I will need to look into the costs involved in doing the upgrade as I am a retired old git now and the pennies need to be watched. I also run a small sports car and a Vauxhall van.
I know the feeling, retirement is around the corner for me and I am absolutely unprepared (a divorce 8 years ago took care of my retirement fund and a third of my income)... I do try to spend my money wisely. I paid $2,500 for this '03 with 13,000 miles (when I bought it) and the most significant upgrades so far have been Ivan's jet kit (about $400 with the installation and carb cleaning, which was needed), HID projectors (about $60) and an Ohlins steering damper ($200)
From what I have read, the R6 shock mod is by far the best bang for the buck, suspension-wise. I will comment on what I think of it when I actually do the swap.
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[size=78%][/size] [size=78%][/size] :rolleyes
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - unfazed - 27-03-16
Tommy
The simplest replacement option for the FZS600 is a Hagon shock which are around £299 new with a 2 year warranty. If you weigh more than 95 Kgs go for the heavier spring. It fits straight in and no playing with dog bones or spring rates. I have one on my FZS600 and has covered over 60000miles, but I opted for the heavier spring as I do a lot of 2 up touring and thought the standard Hagon was a bit to soft for my liking
One issue with replacing the 600 shock with ones from the R6 is getting a spring to suit as the standard 600 spring is 14.7 Kg/mm whereas the R6 is around 10.5Kg/mm.
Didier
I have an 2012 S1000RR rear shock on the FZS1000 which is a relatively simply fit and no changes to the dog bones. It raises the rear by 10mm which suits the FZS1000. The earlier 2010 and 2011 S1000rr ones are not really suitable as the spring is softer and the shock is really to long.
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
(27-03-16, 05:09 PM)unfazed link Wrote: Tommy
The simplest replacement option for the FZS600 is a Hagon shock which are around £299 new with a 2 year warranty. If you weigh more than 95 Kgs go for the heavier spring. It fits straight in and no playing with dog bones or spring rates. I have one on my FZS600 and has covered over 60000miles.
Hey unfazed,
Just been on the 'Hagon' website and the shock for my bike is indeed £299-50, the fact that the unit is made for the FZS600 fazer (98-2003) makes the task easier, no spacers and doggy replacements, just swap it over. I now need to [size=1em]convince the Mrs that the bike is totally [/size]unusable[size=1em] and unrideable without this very necessary replacement part, then jobs a good-un. with my riding jacket, boot, gloves, bucket etc I'm 89 Kg so I guess the standard spring would be about right, I do not ride two up very often, maybe once every 20 or 30 outings, and its either my Mrs or daughter and they only go about 57 Kg togged up.[/size]
[size=1em]Shame it was MOT'ed a week ago I could have brought that into the [/size]equation.
[size=1em]The next really necessary expense is the stainless steel after cat exhaust system for my MR2 Spider, that really needs to be done sooooooooooooo badly before the good weather sets in because it doesn't sound as I want it to LOL.[/size] :eek
Then the seats are black leather and I was thinking about getting red leather replacements for the Spider, but I think I may get an unsatisfactory response to that :foc [size=1em] Yeah that's the one[/size][size=1em] :rollin [/size]
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - Grahamm - 27-03-16
Finally got around to replacing the rear brake pads and then went for a quick run to check they're working ok (fortunately they are!) :thumbup
Re: what did you do with your fazer today ? - tommyardin - 27-03-16
Sorry about all this rear shocker chat, sort of steered the post away from it original intention. well done for getting it back on line with your post Grahamm