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Re: Suspended sentence - really? - Grahamm - 29-10-22

(29-10-22, 08:26 AM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Grahamm link=topic=27537.msg330556#msg330556 date=1666994913]
"....The 2019/20 data indicates that Black people were about 5.7 times more likely to have force used on them than White people...."

Yeah, but you can't deny that they do have a tendency to resist more, be uncooperative, bad mannered, or simply try and do the off.[/quote]

I invite you to re-read my previous posts and consider, if you were in their position, *why* you might behave that way.



Re: Suspended sentence - really? - Grahamm - 29-10-22

(29-10-22, 08:37 AM)darrsi link Wrote: Privilege? What a ridiculous thing to say?

Do people look at you walking down the street at night and think "is he a mugger or a rapist"? Do shop assistants keep a special eye on you in case you're going to try to nick stuff? How many times have you been Stopped and Searched because your face "doesn't fit" in a particular area? etc etc etc.

Quote:And irrespective of your link, the police force, especially the Met, are so woke right now that they're scared to let their officers do their job properly without fear of some sort of reprisal, normally by the repulsive media.

"So woke"? You mean trying hard not to be "Institutionally Racist"?!

"British policing is institutionally racist. Until we admit it we’ll never win back trust"- Neil Basu is assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan police

Quote:Like all these idiot protesters sitting in the roads of London. How on earth is that not wilful obstruction and a breach of the peace, yet the police are hardly on rapid response to remove them to let Londoners get on with their daily life without any more hinderance. Life is tough enough right now so we really don't need brainless morons upsetting everyone, because that is all that they're doing, they are not gaining any support by the decent general public whatsoever.

Lol! People protesting in a way you don't like are "idiots" and, of course, YOU are part of the "decent" general public. And the fact that this planet is facing a Climate Emergency isn't as important as making life easier for you, even though when (not if!) Global Warming starts having a real effect, that's going to make life a hell of a lot more tougher for you and everyone else.

They have *tried* protesting "nicely". There have been campaigns and petitions and letters to MPs and TV programmes and warnings from scientists and successive governments have said "Yes, we agree, something needs to be done" before they kick the can down the road again.

And now we have a Prime Minister who isn't even going to bother to go to the COP 27 conference, showing exactly how much he cares...

So people are taking action that makes others have to pay attention and whilst that may be inconvenient for you and might lose some support from the "decent general public" (ie people who think like you, others are going to start thinking "maybe they have a point".

But I'm sure you'd rather the Police just lock them all away, just like those who think a "few broken bones" might deter others and we take another step down the slippery slope to living in a wonderfully dystopian Police State...


Re: Suspended sentence - really? - darrsi - 29-10-22

(29-10-22, 01:18 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=27537.msg330559#msg330559 date=1667029033]
Privilege? What a ridiculous thing to say?

Do people look at you walking down the street at night and think "is he a mugger or a rapist"? Do shop assistants keep a special eye on you in case you're going to try to nick stuff? How many times have you been Stopped and Searched because your face "doesn't fit" in a particular area? etc etc etc.

Quote:And irrespective of your link, the police force, especially the Met, are so woke right now that they're scared to let their officers do their job properly without fear of some sort of reprisal, normally by the repulsive media.

"So woke"? You mean trying hard not to be "Institutionally Racist"?!

"British policing is institutionally racist. Until we admit it we’ll never win back trust"- Neil Basu is assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan police

Quote:Like all these idiot protesters sitting in the roads of London. How on earth is that not wilful obstruction and a breach of the peace, yet the police are hardly on rapid response to remove them to let Londoners get on with their daily life without any more hinderance. Life is tough enough right now so we really don't need brainless morons upsetting everyone, because that is all that they're doing, they are not gaining any support by the decent general public whatsoever.

Lol! People protesting in a way you don't like are "idiots" and, of course, YOU are part of the "decent" general public. And the fact that this planet is facing a Climate Emergency isn't as important as making life easier for you, even though when (not if!) Global Warming starts having a real effect, that's going to make life a hell of a lot more tougher for you and everyone else.

They have *tried* protesting "nicely". There have been campaigns and petitions and letters to MPs and TV programmes and warnings from scientists and successive governments have said "Yes, we agree, something needs to be done" before they kick the can down the road again.

And now we have a Prime Minister who isn't even going to bother to go to the COP 27 conference, showing exactly how much he cares...

So people are taking action that makes others have to pay attention and whilst that may be inconvenient for you and might lose some support from the "decent general public" (ie people who think like you, others are going to start thinking "maybe they have a point".

But I'm sure you'd rather the Police just lock them all away, just like those who think a "few broken bones" might deter others and we take another step down the slippery slope to living in a wonderfully dystopian Police State...
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Yes, you STILL sound ridiculous, and I'm quite certain you'll find that "people like me" are in the vast majority.

You ride a motorbike, and have a motor vehicle too, yet are supporting Stop Oil Protesters?

Stop embarrassing yourself.  :groan

Re: Suspended sentence - really? - b1k3rdude - 30-10-22

(29-10-22, 08:26 AM)darrsi link Wrote: When some people have an instant disrespect for a person in uniform.
Unfortunatly that is also me, but rather Im male, white, middle aged and privllaged according to the SJW/Woke f***wits of the chattering classes. Due to how I have been treated by the police as a motorcylist and as a regular person,  I am always wary of them and avoid interaction unless required.

(29-10-22, 01:18 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: Do shop assistants keep a special eye on you in case you're going to try to nick stuff?
Maybe its me, but even with my crash helmet off...!!!, security guards stare at me, which is ironic as theese guards tend to be of ethnic minority.

(29-10-22, 01:18 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: "So woke"? You mean trying hard not to be "Institutionally Racist"?!
I agree which this statment.

(29-10-22, 01:18 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: When Global Warming starts having a real effect, that's going to make life a hell of a lot more tougher for you and everyone else.
The govement and councils are 'already' trying to do something about this. And while some of these inicitives are laudable, some councils are are not using upto date or accurate data to accomplish this. For example Hackney is basing its parking charges on emissions data thats 30yrs old, yeah you read that right. So 10 years before the first euro standard (2002) for motorcycles.

(29-10-22, 01:18 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: They have *tried* protesting "nicely". There have been campaigns and petitions and letters to MPs and TV programmes and warnings from scientists and successive governments have said "Yes, we agree, something needs to be done" before they kick the can down the road again.
There are ways of starting a dialogue, it doesent always work of course. Which is why physically protesting is required, but there are ways of protesting that dont make life difficult for everyone else. For example I marshalled on the Hackney protest ride a short while back where several hundred bikers did several loops of central Hackney against the proposed parking charges. It didnt stop any one from going about thier business and it got us a meeting with a Hackney counciler.

(29-10-22, 01:18 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: - But I'm sure you'd rather the Police just lock them all away.
- Just like those who think a "few broken bones" might deter others
- we take another step down the slippery slope to living in a wonderfully dystopian Police State...
-On a related but important issue there is previous and exusting UK goverments have given the police too many extra powers when there was already existing law/powers in place. As in the ability to protest lawfully whithout fear of arrest, which the goverment are desperatly trying to prevent.
- Dude, you cant compare scrotes on a stolen moped to climate protesters.
- I cant argue with that, as its already happening.


But we are getting off topic here, the OP was about how the police deal with suspects on scooters.


Re: Suspended sentence - really? - Grahamm - 30-10-22

(29-10-22, 01:47 PM)darrsi link Wrote: You ride a motorbike, and have a motor vehicle too, yet are supporting Stop Oil Protesters?

Time for this classic again...


Re: Suspended sentence - really? - Grahamm - 30-10-22

(30-10-22, 12:24 PM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: [quote author=Grahamm link=topic=27537.msg330566#msg330566 date=1667045917]When Global Warming starts having a real effect, that's going to make life a hell of a lot more tougher for you and everyone else.
The govement and councils are 'already' trying to do something about this. And while some of these inicitives are laudable, some councils are are not using upto date or accurate data to accomplish this. For example Hackney is basing its parking charges on emissions data thats 30yrs old, yeah you read that right. So 10 years before the first euro standard (2002) for motorcycles.[/quote]

Yes, I'm aware of that and I agree that it's stupid, short-sighted and probably just greedy because they're looking to charge people who aren't the cause of the problem but, instead, part of the solution, simply because it will raise more money for them.

Quote:On a related but important issue there is previous and exusting UK goverments have given the police too many extra powers when there was already existing law/powers in place. As in the ability to protest lawfully whithout fear of arrest, which the goverment are desperatly trying to prevent.
- Dude, you cant compare scrotes on a stolen moped to climate protesters.
- I cant argue with that, as its already happening.


But we are getting off topic here, the OP was about how the police deal with suspects on scooters.

My point is that many people are quite happy to give the Police extra powers because "they won't affect me".

Unfortunately when (almost inevitably) those powers get "stretched" in ways that wasn't intended (or explicitly forbidden), suddenly people start saying "Hang on, it wasn't supposed to be this way!" by which time it's too late, because it's not so easy to get those powers removed.