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Re: The future is electric…………. - BBROWN1664 - 11-12-19
(11-12-19, 04:23 PM)F4celess link Wrote:Would be interesting to view a Service schedule, for such an electric motorbike. What's involved, service interval, plus costs.
From what I have seen regarding electric cars, the service interval is kept at the same as the fossil fuel versions and costs are similar too. The argument they use is they still need to do all the other stuff!!
Re: The future is electric…………. - agricola - 11-12-19
(11-12-19, 04:23 PM)F4celess link Wrote:Would be interesting to view a Service schedule, for such an electric motorbike. What's involved, service interval, plus costs.
(not so much tyre wear, but electric motor / battery pack maintenance that might be found on such a machine).
It's not in the manufacturers interest to wave goodbye to you upon selling the bike. They hope you'll be returning frequently with your wallet in your hand (certainly to retain warranty, parts, etc).
Also some electric cars, you don't actually 'own' the battery pack, but are 'leasing' it. An additional regular payment.
Good points. Electric motors generally dont like heat, or dust, being covered with crud cos it affects their heat dispersion, or water. The one in the photo appear to also have a gear reduction unit attached? There's normally not a lot to service on them, brushes and comm perhaps, though I suspect they are brushless, bearings. Can you get them re-wound (potential mod). Bet they make them inaccessible. As for batteries, they're gonna have to indicate the life span before selling many
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 11-12-19
Quote: As for batteries, they're gonna have to indicate the life span before selling manyI think that's why you lease them. The payments assume they reduce their capacity and retention over time, and need replacing.
In fact I think the whole concept of car (and perhaps bike) ownership will be replaced with leasing.
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 11-12-19
Quote:Government, local and national, will eventually legislate us off and out of our fossil fuelled machines.I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it Agricola. Look headlines like the 200% increase in electric car sales that I saw the other day look great, but 200% of not a lot, is still not a lot.
There is no sign, as yet, of the government taking climate change seriously. The electricity sector has made some decent progress, though frankly still not half enough. We are all still pumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere – and there is little incentive to do otherwise.
I’d happily have an electric car, but the truth is whilst charging at home would be no problem for me, getting about the country, with the current range available and the charging infrastructure – basically no thanks.
Would love to try out an electric bike – I just wanna know what it is and could be like. Love it or loath it, you can’t hold back progress. Plus in this day and age – the truth is the internal combustion engine desperately needs to be consigned to history – it is a hugely energy inefficient way of moving about.
But, naw you still got plenty o years to enjoy yer fossil bike yet.
Re: The future is electric…………. - Dudeofrude - 11-12-19
I'm personally not adverse to an electric car but certainly wouldn't want an electric bike.
As for the uptake, I think it's slow because they are trying to push it too hard too quickly with the full electric. As VNA says the range is poor and on top of that charging is a pain in the ass.
I think they would have much more success pushing hybrids first. After all they are the best of both worlds. Electric motor for pootling around town (emission free) but when you need the range theres a small petrol engine (think 800cc smart car type thing) to give you the range. Then when you wanna play silly bugga the two work in unison to give insane acceleration.
And I'm sure the vast majority of people would happily drive a normal looking car with a sub 1l engine if it still had the performance of a bigger engine paired with the range and (most importantly for some people) the cheaper VED of a little car
I for one will be looking at a hybrid for my next car. More than likely the Hyundai Tuscon 48V. Admittedly not the most eco hybrid out there with its 2l diesel engine but it's still a step in the right direction.
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 11-12-19
Quote:I think they would have much more success pushing hybrids first.Personally, I would legislate hybrids off the road and get serious about charging infrastructure – that is if the industry is sure it can sustain battery manufacture. (there are still questions marks over the long term future production of batteries at this time)
Buy hybrid – in my humble opinion – is daft. You got two or more engines. You got two fuels cells. In other words, you end of wasting a shit load of energy in manufacturing creating the darm thing – and everywhere you go you are lugging your seriously overweight car. Add in to that often poor passenger space and poor boot space.
It’s a bit like re-using your plastic bags. Which is good. And there is arguably good aspects to hybrid. But really, hybrid cars, like reusable plastic bags – allow us, and in this case the car industry too, to think we are “saving the planet” (how I hate that fuckin term) or “doing our bit” when frankly we are doing nothing of the sort.
Hybrids should have been banned before they even got off the car lot. :lol (VNA's personal opinion)
Quote:I for one will be looking at a hybrid for my next car. More than likely the Hyundai Tuscon 48V.Make sure it has a foc off bomb proof long term warranty. And it trade in with a decent bit warranty left. Could be wrong Dude – but I know I wouldn’t buy a used hybrid without a comprehensive manufacturer backed warranty. Used values of these motors could plummet at some point - soon. Another reason why I feel it is one or the other.
Re: The future is electric…………. - bludclot - 12-12-19
(11-12-19, 10:25 PM)Dudeofrude link Wrote:Electric motor for pootling around town (emission free)
Don't want to keep banging on but.... not emission free.
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 12-12-19
Quote: Don't want to keep banging on but.... not emission free.Please explain why not.
Re: The future is electric…………. - F4celess - 12-12-19
I researched a number of hybrid cars not so long ago, as my next car, however the returned MPG figures were WORSE than an equivalent Diesel !
Also what was supposed to be a "sporty" model (in my shortlist) didn't return any performance figures to boast about - quite poor actually.
But the Dashboard did look like something out of the Millennium Falcon. :eek
Therefore went for a small engined Diesel instead.
Re: The future is electric…………. - BBROWN1664 - 12-12-19
(12-12-19, 11:08 AM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: Don't want to keep banging on but.... not emission free.Please explain why not.
The electricity is generated somewhere that creates emissions (burning fuel, build and decommission of the power station/wind turbine etc)
The build and transportation of the car/bike
Disposal of the car/bike
All of the above create emissions its just the greeny people like their car to not produce gas as it moves around the town centre and countryside.
Re: The future is electric…………. - VNA - 12-12-19
Quote:The electricity is generated somewhere that creates emissions (burning fuel, build and decommission of the power station/wind turbine etc)It’s about decarbonisation. It’s about zero, or near zero carbon emissions. The electricity industry is making some progress in becoming carbon neutral. A near 100% carbon free electricity industry is possible. Electric cars do not burn fossil fuel, therefore they do not emit CO2.
The build and transportation of the car/bike
Disposal of the car/bike
All of the above create emissions its just the greeny people like their car to not produce gas as it moves around the town centre and countryside.
Quote:Don't want to keep banging on but.... not emission free.So yes electric cars are essentially emission free.
And we don’t have a choice. We need to de-carbonise our economy as fast as we possibly can. My fear is we are doing it at a fraction of the speed we need to do it. Progress is hopelessly slow.
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 12-12-19
Quote: The electricity is generated somewhere that creates emissions (burning fuel, build and decommission of the power station/wind turbine etc)The build and transportation of the car/bikeDisposal of the car/bikeAll of the above create emissions its just the greeny people like their car to not produce gas as it moves around the town centre and countryside.
How do wind turbine/solar/hydro cause emissions? Apart from building them in the first place and infrastructure? It's like saying walking causes emissions because of the need to make shoes.
As to build and disposal of the vehicle, well that's more or less the same whatever you drive or ride.
It's all about comparative emissions, and clearly the internal combustion engine creates much more.
For me, if they only make electric bikes in future, I'll hang on to my current ones as long as possible, but in the end I'll ride an electric bike.
Re: The future is electric…………. - Oldgit - 12-12-19
Aye Mtread it will be a Mobility Scooter for you by the time the country does away with combustion engines.
Re: The future is electric…………. - mtread - 12-12-19
Quote: Aye Mtread it will be a Mobility Scooter for you by the time the country does away with combustion engines.
Here's hoping
Re: The future is electric…………. - YamFazFan - 12-12-19
Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.
Also how does it affect the range when the air-con is going full blast on the hottest day of the year?.
Re: The future is electric…………. - fazersharp - 12-12-19
Its great giving range per min charge but what they didn't say in that MCN piece was that range is massively dependant of speed and acceleration so its all well and good trashing the petrol bike on a 1/4 mile drag strip but that's perhaps about as far as it will go when ragged.
What puts me off is the cost of cars for now. For my car I don't care about performance - thats what the :faz is for. I wouldn't even mind an electric bike, after all mine spends 95% of its life attached to a battery optimiser anyway and the max I have ridden in one sitting was 200 miles.But have to admit i would miss the heat/noise/smell and shear violence of a petrol bike
Re: The future is electric…………. - fazersharp - 12-12-19
(12-12-19, 12:37 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote:Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.Here
Re: The future is electric…………. - BBROWN1664 - 12-12-19
Electric bikes and cars will be here for everyone eventually. I like my FZS and will keep that as long as I can. If/when I need to go electric, it will probably be a good thing as the simplicity should make them more reliable than the current bikes we have and the range wouldn't be too much of an issue for me as long as we can get 120-150 miles of normal riding on a single charge.
As far as cars go, I am tempted by a Tesla (the bank manager says I would need to sell my house first though) as that is the only car I have seen that has the comfort, the range and the performance I would like as a replacement for my Audi A6. Even the Tesla though has its limitations. They do have the charging points but I do take a regular long journey......At the moment I leave my house and drive 80 miles to Euro Tunnel. If times right, I get there, and get straight into the queue to board the train so would not be able to make use of the chargers that they have at the terminal. Once off the train, its a quick 2 hour run down to Rouen (about 150 miles) where we stop for a 10 minute leg stretch and a coffee. Back in the car its another 150 miles to my place there where I can plug the car in to charge it up. Total distance is about 400 miles which is just too far for the Tesla so I would need to stop for 40 minutes in Rouen to top up the batteries making my journey even longer. At the moment, there are always plenty of free charging points but if I have to queue for 40 minutes before I can get on the charger then we are looking at 1.5 hours more for my journey.
Now, why would I want an all electric car?
Re: The future is electric…………. - BBROWN1664 - 12-12-19
(12-12-19, 12:37 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote:Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.
Even my 7 year old Audi (and a Saab I had 20 year ago) had electric heating for cold days so you can demist the windscreen immediately and get nice warm air within 1 min of getting in the car
Re: The future is electric…………. - F4celess - 12-12-19
I know our first thoughts are COOL - how far can it go (per charge) plus want to see performance figures - but how about SAFETY.
This will be (near) silent to other motorists - even currently, with the aid of a noisy exhaust, motorcyclists are still mostly 'invisible' to other road users.
The NOISE of a motorcycle in the blindspot of a car is your only hope the driver isn't about to pull out into you! :eek
So without any noise factor to alert the senses to our presence, what is being done to make these silent motorcycles more noticeable on the roads!?
Perhaps a little extra lighting is in order to ensure you still get noticed. Rocking it...
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