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Re: Wrong way lights - Grahamm - 06-10-19
(06-10-19, 12:27 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:In that case, they could try what's been done on some roundabouts here, where there's an outer circle of red "bricks" (or something, that's what they look like) which are intended to encourage people to drive around them, rather than cut across.I have no idea what you are on about.
Maybe you don't have them in your part of the world.
This has red tarmac rather than bricks, but the idea is that most vehicles should avoid and go around the red section, but artics etc can use the red tarmac to give them extra space to turn.
Re: Wrong way lights - VNA - 06-10-19
Never seen that on a roundabout.
But it is a roundabout - not a junction.
Re: Wrong way lights - Dudeofrude - 06-10-19
(06-10-19, 01:19 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=VNA link=topic=25653.msg303209#msg303209 date=1570361224]
Quote:In that case, they could try what's been done on some roundabouts here, where there's an outer circle of red "bricks" (or something, that's what they look like) which are intended to encourage people to drive around them, rather than cut across.I have no idea what you are on about.
Maybe you don't have them in your part of the world.
This has red tarmac rather than bricks, but the idea is that most vehicles should avoid and go around the red section, but artics etc can use the red tarmac to give them extra space to turn.
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Never seen that before either?
Re: Wrong way lights - BBROWN1664 - 06-10-19
I have seen something similar in Sussex though it was just different colour bricks rather than red tarmac
Re: Wrong way lights - YamFazFan - 06-10-19
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Re: Wrong way lights - YamFazFan - 07-10-19
Bit of a diversion from the thread title but whilst on the subject of roundabouts...
Which is the correct lane to take when entering a roundabout where there's 2 lanes on the approach/entry but neither has any direction arrows painted or signed, and you wish to go straight over where the exit is a single lane?.
Re: Wrong way lights - Jamieg285 - 07-10-19
(07-10-19, 12:17 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Bit of a diversion from the thread title but whilst on the subject of roundabouts...
Which is the correct lane to take when entering a roundabout where there's 2 lanes on the approach/entry but neither has any direction arrows painted or signed, and you wish to go straight over where the exit is a single lane?.
In this instance I'm not sure there is a right/wrong.
Personally, in this situation I'd normally always be in the right lane. In most cases I'd be able to safely slip in front/behind another vehicle if it's in the left lane and going straight on, and in worst case scenario I just keep going around the roundabout as a safety get out.
Re: Wrong way lights - BBROWN1664 - 07-10-19
(07-10-19, 12:17 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Bit of a diversion from the thread title but whilst on the subject of roundabouts...
Which is the correct lane to take when entering a roundabout where there's 2 lanes on the approach/entry but neither has any direction arrows painted or signed, and you wish to go straight over where the exit is a single lane?.
The left lane unless there are no other exits beyond the one you are taking
Re: Wrong way lights - YamFazFan - 08-10-19
(07-10-19, 09:47 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=25653.msg303237#msg303237 date=1570447068]
Bit of a diversion from the thread title but whilst on the subject of roundabouts...
Which is the correct lane to take when entering a roundabout where there's 2 lanes on the approach/entry but neither has any direction arrows painted or signed, and you wish to go straight over where the exit is a single lane?.
The left lane unless there are no other exits beyond the one you are taking
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Yeah that's the lane I always use although I often find that when I get to the exit the vehicle that was in the right hand lane beside me on entry to the roundabout is now cutting across in front to take the same exit.
Re: Wrong way lights - Grahamm - 08-10-19
(06-10-19, 04:30 PM)VNA link Wrote: Never seen that on a roundabout.
But it is a roundabout - not a junction.
Err, a roundabout *is* a junction.
But the point is that it is designed to encourage people to avoid using that bit of the road.
We have a fair amount of such markings down here in Hampshire, they also put this down the centre of roads where they want to discourage overtaking (eg on the A272 eastbound from Loomies ) where you get a lot of bikers overtaking irresponsibly.
Re: Wrong way lights - Grahamm - 09-10-19
(07-10-19, 12:17 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Which is the correct lane to take when entering a roundabout where there's 2 lanes on the approach/entry but neither has any direction arrows painted or signed, and you wish to go straight over where the exit is a single lane?.
Highway Code Paragraph 186
[quote]When taking the first exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
* you should not normally need to signal on approach
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
Re: Wrong way lights - Grahamm - 09-10-19
(07-10-19, 12:51 PM)Jamieg285 link Wrote: Personally, in this situation I'd normally always be in the right lane. In most cases I'd be able to safely slip in front/behind another vehicle if it's in the left lane and going straight on, and in worst case scenario I just keep going around the roundabout as a safety get out.
If you're travelling westbound on the A30 going through Yeovil, watch out, because the big "Hospital Roundabout" is signposted such that the left hand lane is allowed to turn right!
This means that if you're in the right hand lane, expecting a car on your left to go straight on, they may decide to suddenly turn right across your path!!
Re: Wrong way lights - YamFazFan - 09-10-19
(09-10-19, 12:01 AM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=25653.msg303237#msg303237 date=1570447068]
Which is the correct lane to take when entering a roundabout where there's 2 lanes on the approach/entry but neither has any direction arrows painted or signed, and you wish to go straight over where the exit is a single lane?.
Highway Code Paragraph 186
Quote:When taking the first exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
* you should not normally need to signal on approach
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
So it's left hand lane to take the first exit.
The right hand lane to take an exit to the right, or go full circle.
The 'appropriate' lane to go straight over. Is that the left lane or the right lane?.[/quote]
Re: Wrong way lights - Grahamm - 09-10-19
(09-10-19, 08:06 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: The 'appropriate' lane to go straight over. Is that the left lane or the right lane?.
The illustration shows the left lane being used to go straight over, although this is only a recommendation not mandatory.
You can take the right hand lane if you intend to go straight on and take the right hand lane on the straight-ahead exit (for instance to make progress past other traffic, especially if you're on a bike), but you should do this with great care in case a car from the left lane suddenly turns right without indication etc.
Re: Wrong way lights - YamFazFan - 09-10-19
The illustration shows 2 entry lanes and 2 exit lanes.
What if there's 2 entry lanes, but only one exit lane?. Do you use left or right on entry to go straight ahead?
Re: Wrong way lights - Jamieg285 - 09-10-19
(09-10-19, 12:03 AM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=Jamieg285 link=topic=25653.msg303238#msg303238 date=1570449061]
Personally, in this situation I'd normally always be in the right lane. In most cases I'd be able to safely slip in front/behind another vehicle if it's in the left lane and going straight on, and in worst case scenario I just keep going around the roundabout as a safety get out.
This means that if you're in the right hand lane, expecting a car on your left to go straight on, they may decide to suddenly turn right across your path!!
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I tend to expect that anyway, the driving standards these days mean it's relatively common. On my daily commute there's a 3 lane entry and 3 exits. I go straight on where there is a 2 lane dual carriageway exit. I vary my entry lane between the middle and right lane depending on what cars are there, taking the left exit lane when in the middle and right exit lane when in the right lane. The number of times I see a vehicle turn right when using the middle or even the left hand entry lane, cutting in front of those trying to go straight on is shocking. Even more so when it's an Artic truck and everyone has to stop and wait for it.
I usually try to time it so that I don't have a car on my left when on any roundabout, overtaking on the way onto the roundabout, rather than on it.
Re: Wrong way lights - Jamieg285 - 09-10-19
(09-10-19, 08:06 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: [quote author=Grahamm link=topic=25653.msg303269#msg303269 date=1570575717][/quote]
Highway Code Paragraph 186
Quote:When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
* you should not normally need to signal on approach
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
So it's left hand lane to take the first exit.
The right hand lane to take an exit to the right, or go full circle.
The 'appropriate' lane to go straight over. Is that the left lane or the right lane?.
The 'appropriate' lane is down to your judgement and circumstances. Local knowledge and good observation really comes into play here.
My choice is usually down to the volume of traffic in each lane and their exit route. If the majority are turning left, I will take the right. If the majority are going left I will take the right. If it's a mix or majority straight on, I will pick the lane that is free-est flowing (usually the right lane, as most people assume left is the correct one) and pick my way through as safely as possible.
One of other thing of note, on a busy roundabout where there is slow moving/stop-start traffic, being in the right lane gives you a better opportunity to be the first out of the junction, especially if the gaps are too small for a car.
Re: Wrong way lights - Grahamm - 10-10-19
(09-10-19, 12:49 PM)Jamieg285 link Wrote: The number of times I see a vehicle turn right when using the middle or even the left hand entry lane, cutting in front of those trying to go straight on is shocking. Even more so when it's an Artic truck and everyone has to stop and wait for it.
Remember that an Artic needs a lot more space to turn, so they may *have* to take the left hand lane so the trailer clears the roundabout.
Re: Wrong way lights - Jamieg285 - 10-10-19
(10-10-19, 12:26 AM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=Jamieg285 link=topic=25653.msg303286#msg303286 date=1570621771]
The number of times I see a vehicle turn right when using the middle or even the left hand entry lane, cutting in front of those trying to go straight on is shocking. Even more so when it's an Artic truck and everyone has to stop and wait for it.
Remember that an Artic needs a lot more space to turn, so they may *have* to take the left hand lane so the trailer clears the roundabout.
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No, this is a large roundabout and that wouldn't be the case here. It's the first roundabout off of the M1, Jn8
Had a car do it this morning, a few seconds ahead of me.
Re: Wrong way lights - YamFazFan - 10-10-19
In my experience some car drivers will go to any lengths to jump a queue.
You see them doing it in even in light traffic. It's just an automatic reaction to any form of hold up :rolleyes