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Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 26-11-15
I'm gonna go 50/50 on this one.
Bike was going too fast and the pedestrian was lazy in just about every way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335035/So-wrong-time-Cyclist-colliding-pedestrian-sparks-new-debate-taxi-video-divided-internet.html
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - YamFazFan - 26-11-15
I bet he waits until he finds a crossing next time
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 26-11-15
(26-11-15, 08:12 PM)darrsi link Wrote: I'm gonna go 50/50 on this one.
Bike was going too fast and the pedestrian was lazy in just about every way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335035/So-wrong-time-Cyclist-colliding-pedestrian-sparks-new-debate-taxi-video-divided-internet.html
If that on the left was a bicycle lane, then it's pedestrian's fault 100%. If it's just a line marking the end of the road/lane, then 50-50: pedestrian shouldn't have crossed out of "zebra" and shouldn't have run, definitely not run-stop-run-stop. However, if it wasn't a bicycle lane, cyclist shouldn't have undertaken a car, but overtaken it.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 26-11-15
(26-11-15, 09:24 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=18810.msg217231#msg217231 date=1448565155]
I'm gonna go 50/50 on this one.
Bike was going too fast and the pedestrian was lazy in just about every way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335035/So-wrong-time-Cyclist-colliding-pedestrian-sparks-new-debate-taxi-video-divided-internet.html
If that on the left was a bicycle lane, then it's pedestrian's fault 100%. If it's just a line marking the end of the road/lane, then 50-50: pedestrian shouldn't have crossed out of "zebra" and shouldn't have run, definitely not run-stop-run-stop. However, if it wasn't a bicycle lane, cyclist shouldn't have undertaken a car, but overtaken it.
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It WAS a cycle lane, but there was also a big red bus in the way of it.
The pedestrian had already started crossing so technically had the right of passage, but the cyclist should've slowed down in caution anyway.
Even so, both a bit careless.
The pedestrian will think twice when he next crosses a road.
The cyclist will probably do it again tomorrow. :lol
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Grahamm - 26-11-15
(26-11-15, 07:09 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Some don't have any reflectors either. Is that legal?. I thought all bikes had to have front and rear working brakes and reflectors?.
Yes, they're supposed to.
There again, all cars are supposed to have both headlights and both rear lights working and I've lost count of the number of vehicles I've seen with at least one faulty one recently...
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 27-11-15
(26-11-15, 11:43 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=18810.msg217225#msg217225 date=1448561341]
Some don't have any reflectors either. Is that legal?. I thought all bikes had to have front and rear working brakes and reflectors?.
Yes, they're supposed to.
There again, all cars are supposed to have both headlights and both rear lights working and I've lost count of the number of vehicles I've seen with at least one faulty one recently...
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I'm still being blinded by all the fog light wankers that haven't turned their lights off yet since that ONE day of fog we had a few weeks ago.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 27-11-15
(26-11-15, 10:34 PM)darrsi link Wrote: It WAS a cycle lane, but there was also a big red bus in the way of it.
The pedestrian had already started crossing so technically had the right of passage, but the cyclist should've slowed down in caution anyway.
Even so, both a bit careless.
The pedestrian will think twice when he next crosses a road.
The cyclist will probably do it again tomorrow. :lol
The cyclist couldn't have seen him in time because of the big vehicle he was... WASN't undertaking (since it's a bicycle lane). The pedestrian, when having decided to cross where he shouldn't, should at least make sure it is safe, he's not making anyone brake hard, or change direction quickly - which he didn't. The cyclist should have hit the brakes - there was the time.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 06:46 AM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=18810.msg217244#msg217244 date=1448573694]
It WAS a cycle lane, but there was also a big red bus in the way of it.
The pedestrian had already started crossing so technically had the right of passage, but the cyclist should've slowed down in caution anyway.
Even so, both a bit careless.
The pedestrian will think twice when he next crosses a road.
The cyclist will probably do it again tomorrow. :lol
The cyclist couldn't have seen him in time because of the big vehicle he was... WASN't undertaking (since it's a bicycle lane). The pedestrian, when having decided to cross where he shouldn't, should at least make sure it is safe, he's not making anyone brake hard, or change direction quickly - which he didn't. The cyclist should have hit the brakes - there was the time.
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If he didn't see that pedestrian then it's time for a trip to the opticians!
It was more a case of which side of him was he going to ride, and because of his speed, plus that totally inconsiderate action of a bus stopping at a bus stop (how very dare he) the decision didn't come quick enough.
Personally i would've aimed straight at him and let the pedestrian choose either way.
On my motorbike, or any other motor vehicle for that matter, that's where the air horn, plus a decent set of brakes have a big say. :car
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 07:36 AM)darrsi link Wrote:
If he didn't see that pedestrian then it's time for a trip to the opticians!
My guess is that he couldn't see him until he had passed the car on his right (inside of which the camera was mounted). Looks like a big vehicle - car, or a bus from the video. So both the cyclist and the pedestrian were surprised. However, the pedestrian should have expected a bicycle to come through the bicycle lane, while the cyclist couldn't have expected a pedestrian to run across the road.
(27-11-15, 07:36 AM)darrsi link Wrote:
It was more a case of which side of him was he going to ride, and because of his speed, plus that totally inconsiderate action of a bus stopping at a bus stop (how very dare he) the decision didn't come quick enough.
Looks indecisive to me to. Though I'd say he had the time to stop as well - that was a third option. In front the pedestrian, behind and stop.
Not sure about the problem with bus stopping - in my city you just pass on the middle of the road side, you're not supposed to expect pedestrians boarding/unboarding the bus on that side - just from the kerb side. The bicycle in front went right on.
(27-11-15, 07:36 AM)darrsi link Wrote: Personally i would've aimed straight at him and let the pedestrian choose either way.
On my motorbike, or any other motor vehicle for that matter, that's where the air horn, plus a decent set of brakes have a big say. :car
I often brake, slow down, when I see the pedestrian is not sure whether to go, or stop, or run. If they don't see me, then I go behind men and in front of women - because, from my experience, if they see me at the very last second, women often tend to suddenly stop or jump backwards, while men tend to start running-jumping forward, seldom stopping.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Val - 27-11-15
(26-11-15, 08:12 PM)darrsi link Wrote: I'm gonna go 50/50 on this one.
Bike was going too fast and the pedestrian was lazy in just about every way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335035/So-wrong-time-Cyclist-colliding-pedestrian-sparks-new-debate-taxi-video-divided-internet.html
Ok that was 100% cycle fault what a twat. Bear in mind rights of way or even if there was say a green traffic light and pedestrian was going on red does not matter here at all. Like in this example when some plonker hits an woman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KjgMuosiY0
The Highway code is clear that all road rules and signals are advisory. You MUST stop and make sure if there is dangerous situation or say pedestrian in the middle of the road like in this case. Hazzard avoidance major fail here.
Pedestrian is in the wrong place, so what does that gives you wild card to run him over :thumbdown
Instead of slowing down or even stopping the twat with the cycle has actually accelerated and pointed the bike towards the pedestrian.
Honestly I would be tempted to beat the shit out of somebody if they do that to me. What a plonker.
Rule 144 You MUST NOT
- drive dangerously
- drive without due care and attention
- drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 27-11-15
But... the cyclist did stop... and she did RUN into him from the side, didn't she. You can't be expected to expect people running at you from the side of the road.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 02:08 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: But... the cyclist did stop... and she did RUN into him from the side, didn't she. You can't be expected to expect people running at you from the side of the road.
I'm getting confused now, who is "she"?
It's London anyway, pedestrians and cyclists tend not to give a monkeys about anyone else.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - YamFazFan - 27-11-15
(26-11-15, 11:43 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=18810.msg217225#msg217225 date=1448561341]
Some don't have any reflectors either. Is that legal?. I thought all bikes had to have front and rear working brakes and reflectors?.
Yes, they're supposed to.
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So do some of the hipster 'fixie' bicycle riders that Slaninar refers to in reply #12 buy the bikes equipped with 2 sets of brakes, then start taking them off when they get home?.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - maddog04 - 27-11-15
The Highway code is clear that all road rules and signals are advisory
what a load of sh!te. where did you come up with that one?
try telling that to a judge when you run a "STOP" sign..............certain rules and signals are a "MUST" do eg the hexagonal red STOP sign and a Blue circle with 30 in it (mandatory minimum speed)
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 02:08 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: But... the cyclist did stop... and she did RUN into him from the side, didn't she. You can't be expected to expect people running at you from the side of the road.
Think you'll find that there's more chance of this happening than there is of them running head on at you!
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 27-11-15
Front and rear lights are good enough. Reflectors are required by law but if you have working lights - you don't really need them. Most road bikes as well as fixies don't have reflectors.
However, two separate brake systems, one on each wheel are required both by law and common sense. One brake can fail any time.
For single speed (and fixed gear) bicycles, rear wheel can be stopped with pedals - but many people ride without the front as well. I've found that a good front brake is crucial for sudden situations, like pedestrians jumping on the bicycle lane - often happens where I ride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kumLyiWkIoE
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 04:04 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Slaninar link=topic=18810.msg217283#msg217283 date=1448629711]
But... the cyclist did stop... and she did RUN into him from the side, didn't she. You can't be expected to expect people running at you from the side of the road.
Think you'll find that there's more chance of this happening than there is of them running head on at you!
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LOl. Even less chance of coming across the Spanish inquisition. However, the cyclist did STOP, not hit the pedestrian head on. And the pedestrian was running, both literally, and running the red light. Her fault (the pedestrian) IMO.
P.S. The first crossing - first 10 to 15 seconds of the video - that was a more careless riding from that same cyclist IMO. I thought that would be it. Going too fast, too much to the side of the road, having seen the pedestrians happy to run red light in group just in front of him. You are invisible on the bicycle and motorcycle after all.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 04:22 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=18810.msg217295#msg217295 date=1448636657]
[quote author=Slaninar link=topic=18810.msg217283#msg217283 date=1448629711]
But... the cyclist did stop... and she did RUN into him from the side, didn't she. You can't be expected to expect people running at you from the side of the road.
Think you'll find that there's more chance of this happening than there is of them running head on at you!
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LOl. Even less chance of coming across the Spanish inquisition. However, the cyclist did STOP, not hit the pedestrian head on. And the pedestrian was running, both literally, and running the red light. Her fault (the pedestrian) IMO.
P.S. The first crossing - first 10 to 15 seconds of the video - that was a more careless riding from that same cyclist IMO. I thought that would be it. Going too fast, too much to the side of the road, having seen the pedestrians happy to run red light in group just in front of him. You are invisible on the bicycle and motorcycle after all.
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Pedestrian's a bloke!
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - Slaninar - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 04:36 PM)darrsi link Wrote: Pedestrian's a bloke!
:rollin :lol
We're not talking about the same video then.
This one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KjgMuosiY0#t=68
29 seconds, roughly.
Re: Cab gets my vote by default - darrsi - 27-11-15
(27-11-15, 04:43 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=18810.msg217299#msg217299 date=1448638565]
Pedestrian's a bloke!
:rollin :lol
We're not talking about the same video then.
This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KjgMuosiY0#t=68
29 seconds, roughly.
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My bad, I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention, just like the woman crossing the road. :lol
The videos aren't obvious on my work laptop.
That was her fault, phone in hand, just being a sheep and following other peoples movements without looking whatsoever.
In fairness she wouldn't have heard anyone coming towards her though, although I accept that's not a great excuse, but another reason why I'm not a fan of silent electric cars either!