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Re: speeding..................or not - stevierst - 12-10-15
Just read the op. Hands up if you feel stupid! (that'll be just me then :-[ )
I thought analogue tachos were a thing of the past 8 years ago when I stopped driving class 1 trucks. Still a few of them about obviously.
Re: speeding..................or not - sinto607276 - 12-10-15
(12-10-15, 10:27 PM)stevierst link Wrote: Just read the op. Hands up if you feel stupid! (that'll be just me then :-[ )It happens as you get old mate :pokefun
(12-10-15, 10:27 PM)stevierst link Wrote: I thought analogue tachos were a thing of the past 8 years ago when I stopped driving class 1 trucks. Still a few of them about obviously.Yeah there is, it wasn't compulsory to fit them to older trucks but new ones had to be fitted with them.
Re: speeding..................or not - Val - 13-10-15
(12-10-15, 10:28 AM)sadlonelygit link Wrote: got a nice green letter through the mail at the weekend alledging 37 in a 30.
thing is i was driving a vehicle with an analogue tacho which for the time in question shows i didn't exceed 50kmh for @5 mins (the time it takes to go through the village).
do i take the offer of a speed awareness course or do i fight it?
Its your decision. Me weighting the risks and effort will get the speed awareness course anytime.
Because what will happen if you contest it and loose? Not to mention the cost, the time and the hassle involved even if you win. Even if you win you are loosing a lot of time and money in the fight so what exactly is the point here?
Re: speeding..................or not - BBROWN1664 - 13-10-15
Some insurance companies are now asking about attendance of speed awareness courses and treating them (correctly or otherwise) the same as having got three points.
The thing you have to weigh up is how much will it cost. If you can prove categorically that you were not speeding, I would fight it. Take it to court if required and prove the system wrong.
If however, there is any doubt, take the course as the fine in court will be higher than paying the course fee.
Re: speeding..................or not - Val - 13-10-15
(13-10-15, 11:52 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: If however, there is any doubt, take the course as the fine in court will be higher than paying the course fee.
Forget about the fine what about the legal cost? Any going to court has potential legal cost of thousands...
And you need good solicitor to win so even if you win there will be a substantial cost. Can you recover that money if you win? Have no idea... :eek
Re: speeding..................or not - Grahamm - 13-10-15
(13-10-15, 11:52 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: If however, there is any doubt, take the course as the fine in court will be higher than paying the course fee.
Don't forget that the lovely Tories have now imposed Magistrates Court Fees on top of any other fines you may have to pay, supposedly to help cover "the running costs of the court".
This is not, of course, in any way, to induce people to plead guilty and not contest charges because they can't take the risk of the extra money they'd have to fork out if they might be found guilty...
Re: speeding..................or not - joebloggs - 13-10-15
Do what I did, mel the focin martyr, waltz into the court, look the judge square in the eye and tell him in no uncertain terms how your not happy with the positioning of the camera and that you honestly believe that these contraptions do nothing to promote road safety......I focin told him, and he.......the barstuard.......fined me £600........Focin told me lol
Re: speeding..................or not - sinto607276 - 13-10-15
(13-10-15, 10:59 PM)joebloggs link Wrote: Do what I did, mel the focin martyr, waltz into the court, look the judge square in the eye and tell him in no uncertain terms how your not happy with the positioning of the camera and that you honestly believe that these contraptions do nothing to promote road safety......I focin told him, and he.......the barstuard.......fined me £600........Focin told me lolSurely that should of started DONT DO WHAT I DID...?
Re: speeding..................or not - snapper - 13-10-15
Ok I maybe missing the point here but you have almost concrete proof that you were not speeding ! when they say you were
HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE got tickets the same day and place with the same equipment ?
surley you should ask this question as well ?
Re: speeding..................or not - celticdog - 14-10-15
(13-10-15, 11:52 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: Some insurance companies are now asking about attendance of speed awareness courses and treating them (correctly or otherwise) the same as having got three points.
This one was raised at my speed awareness course on Monday. They where very clear about it, they will not under any circumstances pass on any information to third parties or insurance companies. They didn't say lie, more refuse to answer the question, the insurance companies are being very naughty!
Re: speeding..................or not - Smurfbud - 14-10-15
Definitely ask for the photo so you can identify who was driving given that the vehicle has multiple drivers ..... this will give you the evidence that they have ...... you can then make an informed decision from that point onwards. Also ask for the speed camera calibration certificate as they have been known to be out of date and therefore ineligible as evidence.
In many police force areas across the country, it is an agency that man the speed vans, and as is the same for speed cameras, the data is passed onto a reviewing police officer to decide upon which instances are sent forward for prosecution.
The legal limit for prosecution is speed limit x 1.1+1, ie 34 in a 30mph zone, 45 in a 40mph zone and 67 in a 60mph zone. I believe it is the same for motorways too, but there is a tendency to be a little more lenient and use 80mph otherwise the courts would be completely full.
There are numerous reasons why intended prosecution is withdrawn. Contesting the NIP dictates that the authorities take a second look at the evidence they have compared with your reason & any evidence you have for not pleading guilty. They then make an informed decision on whether to proceed or not. Many cases are dropped simply because the offender contests the NIP and it is a borderline speed - such as yours.
If the authorities decide to proceed, you get your opportunity to present your evidence and reasoning to the judge - you dont need to engage a solicitor but it would be much better to do some homework to identify previous cases where the use of tachographs have proved to be reliable evidence against the accusation. Have your tacho calibration dates and certs available (compare calibration of tacho requirements against calibration of speed camera requirements). Demonstrate your speed on a map showing other speed limits to prove you are basically a speed abiding driver. Details of your driving history may or may not prove beneficial too (depending upon your previous !!), ie 20 yrs without a ticket, miles driven per year etc etc
I am sure more knowledgable others will identify areas for consideration that I have omitted ............ good luck and keep us informed ........
Re: speeding..................or not - BBROWN1664 - 14-10-15
Smurf - The legal limit for prosecution does not exist. Speeding is an "absolute" type offence. There are ACPO guidelines, but these are only guidelines, which recommend +10% +2mph (so 35mph in a 30, 79 in a 70 etc) to stop filling the courts up and taking up to much plod time with paperwork.
I would probably ask for the photo to help identify the driver if I was certain that I was not speeding to see what the photo actually shows. If it shows you in the truck (its not unknown for the wrong number plate to be written down by the muppets) then go to a motoring lawyer with your evidence that proves innocence and take it to court.