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Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 31-07-15
OK Facebook works ok.
I've updated Java and verified it.
I've made a note pad document with the below text and saved it to ALL files.
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<body onload="document.write('JavaScript is on');">
<noscript>JavaScript is off sorry mate</noscript>
</body>
</html>
There is also an option for encoding when I save the file. Options are.
ANSI
Unicode
Unicode big endian
UTF 8
It was set to ANSI
Anyhow I opened the notepad Doc in a new browser window and it just read as I had cut and pasted...
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<body onload="document.write('JavaScript is on');">
<noscript>JavaScript is off sorry mate</noscript>
</body>
</html>
I assume it should have said On or Off?
Do need to change the Encoding when saving the file to get this to work?
I can confirm the the website works OK on my brother in laws laptop running Windows 7 using both IE and Firefox.
I've been out today and tested the drop downs again and they worked if I clicked on them but the thumbnails didn't open. Then the dropdowns stopped working again.
I've heard back from Weebly and say that's it working at there end. I've been asked to sent a screen video of what's not happening. Waiting to hear back now.
I will add that the drop downs still work ok on the editing site just not on the live published site.
:'(
Re: Computer related - Dead Eye - 31-07-15
The encoding shouldn't matter and ANSI is fine for now
Be aware that Java and JavaScript are two totally different languages and have very little to do with each other bar the name similarity. Updating Java does sweet fuck all to JavaScript
(which I don't believe you can update - just like you wouldn't update HTML)As for your test, it sounds like the file got saved as something like "file.html.txt" or maybe just "file.txt" - follow the advice Val gave and make sure when saving under "All Files" that you manually set the extension as .html otherwise Notepad will just assume .txt
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 01-08-15
Thanks for that Val and Dead Eye.
Saved adding the 'html' file extension. Opened it browser window and Whoop Whoop it says JavaScript is on. So I guess that part is working OK.
Still waiting to hear from Weebly. Don't know where to go from here. I'm away from home at the moment so can't check if it's working on other puters or flaptops.
Re: Computer related - Val - 02-08-15
(31-07-15, 10:30 PM)Kosmic Kartman link Wrote: I've been out today and tested the drop downs again and they worked if I clicked on them but the thumbnails didn't open. Then the dropdowns stopped working again.
I've heard back from Weebly and say that's it working at there end. I've been asked to sent a screen video of what's not happening. Waiting to hear back now.
Not good news. Let me explain. The dropdowns has been created by a mix of HTML code and JavaScipt code.
Booth the HTML code and JavaScript code are executed on the client side in your browser in your local PC. So the Weebly to say that is working on their end (the server that host the code) does not make any sense.
The only way you can find the issue would be some developer to debug the code to see what exactly is hapenning on your browser in your local PC. It is code created by Weebly - it make sense their developer to do that. Ask them.
Having said that the issue is hapenning because of some settings in your browser that prevents the code from running normally.
Restore the IE default settings and let us know the result. Follow the instructions here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/923737
The browsers have many different versions. Go to the IE menu Help-> About andlet us know which vesrion IE you have on the PC that does not work?
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 02-08-15
Hi Val
On the laptop and the PC that the drop downs aren't working on the browser is Internet Explorer 11 and Firefox 39.0
Think I know the answer to this already but would these settings or restoring IE effect Firefox? because the the drop downs don't work on either browser either.
Re: Computer related - Val - 03-08-15
(02-08-15, 10:35 PM)Kosmic Kartman link Wrote: Hi Val
On the laptop and the PC that the drop downs aren't working on the browser is Internet Explorer 11 and Firefox 39.0
Think I know the answer to this already but would these settings or restoring IE effect Firefox? because the the drop downs don't work on either browser either.
No IE settings are related to IE only. You can restore default Firefox like this:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/reset-preferences-fix-problems
It is very unusual to have the same issue in both browsers, they must be independent application.
Most likely this is issue with the HTML code. Containers for visualisation like divs and frames and some CSS.
The only way you can find the issue would be some developer to debug the code to see what exactly is hapenning on your browser in your local PC. It is code created by Weebly - it make sense their developer to do that. Ask them.
I have run your site through W3C HTML validator online tool and I see 5 errors see it here:
https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trackart.co.uk%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&ss=1&outline=1&No200=1&verbose=1
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 03-08-15
Hi Val,
On the laptop I'm away with at the moment I've done a restore to default on Firefox and followed previous instructions and restored IE which was a bit more long winded. I've also restored IE on my PC at home with no changes.
Hope you don't mind but I've emailed them the link to your validator online tool report in a hope that someone their end will be able to understand it better than me.
I'm back at home tomorrow for a few days so I'll do a restore on Firefox on the PC and wait for their response.
Do think if delete all the pages and drop down menus from the site and then rebuild it that I'll still have the same problems or might it work? I know it's a lot of work to redo but it might be the simplest solution.
What I don't want to do is redo it and end up with the same problem later down the line.
One thing I can't get my head around is that the site works OK on other laptops running Vista, Windows 7 and verious other operating systems using IE, Firefox, Chrome, etc.
Cheers and thanks for your input
Ad
Re: Computer related - mickvp - 04-08-15
Ade. Do you get the same issues when you navigate directly to your site instead of through the redirect?
http://adrianbarnard.weebly.com/
?
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 04-08-15
(04-08-15, 02:00 AM)mickvp link Wrote: Ade. Do you get the same issues when you navigate directly to your site instead of through the redirect?
http://adrianbarnard.weebly.com/
?
Yes Mick. Same problem.
Re: Computer related - mickvp - 04-08-15
Odds are the problem lies in the source code of that page than the source code of the redirecting page then
If you run that through the W3C validator there are a number of issues on that page as well.
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 06-08-15
Just to update you foccers who have bee throwing me lines.
Over the last couple of days I've been downloading and trying different browsers. Chrome being one of them. Despite deleting caches and internet temp files the drop downs still did not work on the published sites on all but one of my computers running IE and Firefox. The drop downs worked on both these browsers. Apart from your postings reports to say they were working the drop downs weren't working on two of my PC's - The only other physical evidence I had that they were working was on my brother in laws running IE and another laptop I have running IE and Firefox.
Weebly, despite being sent Val's validation report still say they can't find anything wrong and that I should delete caches etc and try again, maybe in different browser... FFS that's what I've been doing for the last week +.
Anyway. This morning I boot puters up and try again and the drop downs are working again in all browsers except Firefox on one PC.
I've not been able to check my other laptop as my Mrs has it and she's away ATM.
So with that in mind I can live with this as it is.
Thanks again for your help, time and effort and support. You Foccers are brilliant.
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 06-08-15
DON'T FUCKING BELIEVE IT.
Drop downs have stopped working again in all browsers.
:wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall
Re: Computer related - Val - 06-08-15
https://spoon.net/browsers/
Try this. This is online browser simulator. Instead running the browser application that is installed on your PC it runs the browser at some server.
Chose some browser version say IE 11 and test your website.
If all works there this will prove that the issue is related to your local PC settings.
If not working than the issue is with Weebly code.
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 06-08-15
Cheers for that. Will test it later.
I need to go get a beer and have a bowls match now.
Re: Computer related - mickvp - 06-08-15
Do you have cache times set in your .htaccess file? Maybe they are preventing the site from updating properly if you have JavaScript set for a longish cache. Just abother thought, but not sure if there is any weight in it or not.
Re: Computer related - Dead Eye - 06-08-15
I doubt they would be doing anything fancy in the .htaccess - that primarily deals with server side stuff. The browser tends to cache JS and CSS, but Weebly have a hash associated with these files so that fresh copies are downloaded when necessary (a sensible approach that I use myself)
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 06-08-15
Well blow me. Just come in from bowls and a beer and the drop downs are working again. Don't know whether to laugh or cry. :lol :'(
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"Do you have cache times set in your .htaccess file? Maybe they are preventing the site from updating properly if you have JavaScript set for a longish cache. Just abother thought, but not sure if there is any weight in it or not."
Don't know what this means or how to check.
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"I doubt they would be doing anything fancy in the .htaccess - that primarily deals with server side stuff. The browser tends to cache JS and CSS, but Weebly have a hash associated with these files so that fresh copies are downloaded when necessary (a sensible approach that I use myself)"
Don't know what this mean either. :rolleyes
I wish I'd listened more at school instead of drawing motorbikes, naked women and forging five pound notes and selling them.
Re: Computer related - mickvp - 06-08-15
I wouldn't worry about it ade, if it was an issue in the .htaccess it would either do it all or none of the time, not sporadically like you are experiencing.
Re: Computer related - Kosmic Kartman - 07-08-15
(06-08-15, 05:14 PM)Val link Wrote: https://spoon.net/browsers/
Try this. This is online browser simulator. Instead running the browser application that is installed on your PC it runs the browser at some server........
I'm still having problems with this.
I've created free user account and tried checking the published site on Spoon.
Logging on to the spoon.net using Firefox I get in to a cycle of downloading plugins and get no further. The option for the plugin is to save or cancel. I launch the plugin from my Downloads and as soon as I click the browser to test up pops another download plugin dialog box.
Logging on to the spoon.net using IE or Chrome I get plugins running, select the browser I want to check then a pop up window appears (see below) and I get no further.
![[Image: Spoon%20Error%20Message_zpshnkfhdsz.jpg]](http://s150.photobucket.com/user/adthebad/media/Spoon%20Error%20Message_zpshnkfhdsz.jpg.html)
I press any key to continue, the error message disappears, I select the browser and the error message pops back up.
Of the three machines I have running here...
Main PC: Windows 8.1, IE11, Firefox 39.0.3, Chrome Version 44.0.2403.130 m, Opera V27. The site editor works in all browser but the published site doesn't. Re: Spoon see above.
Laptop 1: Windows Vista, IE9 and Firefox 39.0.3 The site editor and published website still working. But Spoon has same probs as listed above when trying through Firefox and has no option for IE9 without upgrading.
Laptop 2: Windows 8.1, IE11, Firefox 39.0.3, Chrome Version 44.0.2403.130 m. The site editor works in all browser but the published site doesn't. Though the site worked a day longer than main PC.
My wife is away with this lap top at the mo but I've talked her through deleting Cache, cookies and history on all browsers. She's logged on to the site editor dropdowns are working but published site isn't.
Mac G4: Running OSX 10, Firefox 38.0.1, Machine is past it's sell by date but sometimes displays published site OK but is a bit glitchy ie it'll show just blue text and menus down the left hand side before bursting into action and displaying... when it wants to. Doesn't do a lot else apart from Photoshop and iPhone work and has been bought out of semi retirement to test this site Can't even remember the last time this Mac was on the net but I've had to root through the loft to get an old dial up modem to connect to the web. Due to other publishing software installed the OS cannot be upgraded so we'll take this computer out of the equation.
Microsoft Windows 8.1 phone: Displays with drop downs but item codes are missing from enlarged thumbnails.
Been sitting in front of these machines since 5am this morning. Getting everything up to date on Windows. Uninstalling Firefox, Chrome and Opera... reinstalling.
I don't where to go from here, but if you want to go elsewhere and talk about sex, drugs and rock'n'roll I can quite understand.
Edit----
I've just found another Weebly website with drop down menus!!! see http://shellyscreativeside.weebly.com/
The drop downs "What I do" work my laptop 1 but not on my Main PC. Does this mean this is computer related, browser related or something to do with operating system... Bearing in mind that all was hunky dory up till a few weeks ago?
Re: Computer related - mickvp - 07-08-15
i would take a punt at computer related - for the following reasons:
if it were site related, it would do it for everyone using xx or yy browser (different browsers interpret html differently, hence the variation between them), but all copies of firefox 39 will interpret it the same, so it should be shared across the same browser.
if it were browser related, uninstalling, and reinstalling the software would almost certainly fix it, and as above, if it were an issue with a specific browser, anyone using that browser would have the same issue.
The only thing that leaves is the computer itself, although im not sure what exactly it could be, a missing file? not likely. maybe its something to do with running the editor that does something (I assume its an editor that runs in the browser window and not a stand alone program?).
out of interest, if you start in private browsing, and navigate to the site, does the site work? (CTRL+SHIFT+P). this would take a cookie/cache issue out the equiation as well as these are not stored during a private browsing session. worth a shot since its easy to try. I would assume the problem will still persist during this though, which would be further evidence it is somehow computer related - purely because you have the same issue for other weebly sites you have visited on those computers.