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Re: fazer down - red98 - 16-06-15
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(16-06-15, 10:53 PM)stevie-g1968 link Wrote: What the foc was she doing trying to do a u turn there? She should have spun around at the roundabout down by the vw garage. She's bang to rights in the wrong there. If she was so desperate to go back she could have even flung it round into the carpark on the left.... mind you I see all sorts of shite driving around wycombe daily.
hi stevie.yep, car park would have been the easiest about 10 yrds on the left, spin it around and back out.....a lot mord traffic tonight for some reason, think she was looking for a quicker route home, very little traffic the otherway
yep, your right about wycombe drivers, watch out for the taxi's, got to be the worst in britain :eek
Re: fazer down - red98 - 16-06-15
(16-06-15, 11:05 PM)Frosties link Wrote: Pleased it was a low speed drop and hope nothing more than bruises,
On the other hand...............shame on you for not doing the headlight mod....could've made all the difference :rolleyes
your right there FROSTIES :o......good picture for the insurance guys, headlight on during the day
Re: fazer down - fazersharp - 16-06-15
Do I see two kids in the car and also other parents in the background, am I right in thinking this was the school run, if they are the worst -- heaven forbid that they miss more than 10 min of flog it, always in a hurry - distracting kids in the car --- and what they live 1 mile from the school , I think I am angeryer than you RED
Re: fazer down - Grahamm - 16-06-15
(16-06-15, 07:14 PM)red98 link Wrote: After 35 years of accident free riding ive had an accident
Sorry to hear that, but glad it wasn't any worse.
As for her not admitting liability, it doesn't matter, see Davis vs Schrogin 2006
Quote:The defendant was stuck in a traffic jam on a straight road, with the claimant riding his motorcycle on the same road in the same direction.
As there was no traffic coming from the other direction, the motorcyclist was overtaking the stationary traffic. The defendant had decided to perform a U-turn to get out of the queue and moved to the left of the queue before beginning the U-turn.
The judge found that the defendant had been negligent in not looking properly before beginning his turn. He also did not believe that the motorcyclist had time to see the defendant's manoeuvre, and that the claimant couldn't have done anything to avoid the accident.
On appeal, it was decided that once the judge had found as a primary fact that the motorcyclist was so close to the point of impact that he could not have avoided the collision, there was simply no basis for any finding of contributory negligence. The judge's decision would be upheld.
Re: fazer down - stevie-g1968 - 17-06-15
Il do my sales pitch for the company I work for to give you a boiler quote,... :lol :lol
trouble is as these bikes get on in age, the insurance company will want to write it off.. :rolleyes
Re: fazer down - esetest - 17-06-15
Sorry to hear about your accident , glad your ok , bike can be fixed .
Re: fazer down - HarryHornby - 17-06-15
Oh Paul, that sucks, I had a bloke decide to do a U-Turn on me yesterday just as I was filtering past. We had just come into traffic, I was approaching his vehicle (filtering past cars) when his indicator went on as I was next to him and then pretty much instantly he started to move, luckily I was only just past the front of his van when he performed his very rapid U-Turn. It really was a case of no mirror, signal, immediately maneuver! tosser!
Anyway back to the plot. Glad you are OK. I am available to come round and point out all the post accident problems with your bike if you would like..... :pokefun
Re: fazer down - risticuss - 17-06-15
Sorry to see this. Hope you're ok, and get on the mend soon.
Looks like she was gunning for you... her number plate is only one letter out.
Re: fazer down - midden - 17-06-15
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glad your ok mate ,to be fair you can't expect people to admit liability as it clearly says don't on every policy :eek
hope the witnesses swing it for you because you know she is going to say "never expected a bike to be in cross hatchings "
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He wasn't in cross hatchings until she forced him in them
Re: fazer down - noggythenog - 17-06-15
So sorry to hear this Paul
I almost got run off the road on my recent day trip...flat out overtaking a van and car when the van decided he was gonna overtake....as I was just passing his rear quarter..........I was in the gutter line and almost hit the verge.
let me know if there's any small parts that you need that I might have lurking in the shed & you can have them buck shee.
Re: fazer down - nick crisp - 17-06-15
(17-06-15, 09:10 AM)midden link Wrote: He wasn't in cross hatchings until she forced him in them
It's ok to filter on cross hatchings with a broken line edging them. I got knocked off some years ago in similar circumstances, and the fact that I filtered on the cross hatchings wasn't an issue. I think my main argument was that the driver clearly didn't look (or signal in my case) before the manoeuvre. Once you're alongside, you're not going to see a signal anyway.
The biggest problem is that filtering seems to be a bit of a grey area. The motorcyclist usually has to assume some responsibility (I was told 50/50, but managed to get it to 70/30 in my favour - his "witness" got cold feet when I proved that he couldn't have seen clearly from where he said he saw it; he came forward later anyway, so was discredited). Hope your witnesses stay reliable, and you should be ok.
Sorry to hear of this Paul, I know you were proud of that bike (even though it was red - oh, so's mine! :rolleyes :lol ). Bash things straight and crack on :lol Glad to hear you're ok...how are things this morning? Not too sore I hope.
Re: fazer down - kitcrazy - 17-06-15
As everyone else has said glad your ok mate old bones take longer to heal
Re: fazer down - Fazerider - 17-06-15
Very sad to read about this, Paul.
I've had that nearly happen many times and there's always a critical point where you're committed to passing and if they time it right they've got you.
Guess the bruises will be at their most painful by now…take it easy and I hope the bike's easily fixed.
Re: fazer down - maddog04 - 17-06-15
glad you're ok mate, had an old lad try to pull out from lane 1 into lane 2 on the motorway yesterday as I was along side him.... a very long beep on the old stebble woke the dozer foccer up :'(
I cannot open the type of links that you're putting up......it just opens up the same page again (if anyone knows how to rectify this then let me know) so I cannot see your accident, as for the hatched area, was it surrounded by a solid line or a broken line?.......if broken......you are legally allowed into the area and many advanced riders use this area for potential early overtakes......don't worry about it if she brings it up, it will be dismissed by a good lawyer. On the other hand, if its a solid line you were illegally in it unless she FORCED you to take evasive action to prevent you from being a KSI
Re: fazer down - Red Ceri - 17-06-15
What I can't believe is ....................................35years without an accident, you can be riding hard enough or on a slow bike......oh you were on the red one. :lol . hope your old bones aren't too sore today.
If she tries to bring up the point that you shouldn't have been in the cross hatchings then why did she think it was ok for her, as she was obviously going to go into them to make a U-turn.
Re: fazer down - fazersharp - 17-06-15
Dosent look like you were in the cross hatching's to me, looks like you were pushed there.
I never go in the crosshatching ----- well not now since I picked up a 6 inch nail from one. The thing is that all kinds of crap gets washed in to them especially those on a little island on the approach to roundabouts because no one ever gos there.
Re: fazer down - Arfa - 17-06-15
Rubbish news Red, at least you're in one piece and damage is minimal.
(17-06-15, 09:31 AM)nick crisp link Wrote: [quote author=midden link=topic=17338.msg199847#msg199847 date=1434528644]
He wasn't in cross hatchings until she forced him in them
It's ok to filter on cross hatchings with a broken line edging them...
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Sort of...
Highway code says:
130 Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
- If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
- If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 &
And I'm afraid filtering will not be deemed 'necessary'...Re: fazer down - nick crisp - 17-06-15
(17-06-15, 10:36 AM)Arfa link Wrote: Those are bordered by a broken white line, so the highway code says 'should not enter'. Note it does not say 'Must not enter'. A must-not is backed by law and illegal. A should-not isn't backed by law, and it's not illegal. As such Red, you've not broken any laws. However the fact that it's a should-not in the highway code may be held against you somewhat when it comes to insurance firms assigning blame. There's a good chance because of this you will be held contributory to blame.
Well put Arfa. What annoys me is that it then leaves things open to interpretation, and you get all kinds of different results from people's experiences. It just wasn't talked about in my case. I guess it depends on how much you can keep things concentrated on how the driver didn't carry out proper observation before manoeuvring. But if your witnesses will back you, then you can maybe fall back on midden's point then
In most cases I've read of, the filtering motorcyclist will always be held partly responsible. But I also think I've seen ones where that wasn't the case either. A lot of variables can come into play I guess.
Re: fazer down - maddog04 - 17-06-15
try "Sorry Mate" insurers, they're lawyers who specialise in bike accidents and I believe they're bikers themselves. my mate used them and said they're VG
if you have insurance appointed lawyers who are not biker friendly/don't understand bikers/advanced riding etc then you're onto a loser from the start
Re: fazer down - Dead Eye - 17-06-15
Of course it had to be a Micra...
Sorry to hear it Paul, hope you and the bike mend well
My issues around here are that no one seems to understand how to use a Roundabout... it really isn't a difficult concept yet I always have idiot bastards pulling out on me whilst I'm already on the roundabout. Doesn't matter if I'm on the bike, or in the car, they still just go for it... Had to wake up some dozy cow yesterday in her stupid Rav4 after she just pulled in front of my whilst I was on the thou. Had to practically stop on the roundabout and got the usual ignorant hand wave from the inside of the car to "say sorry"... sorry my fuckin ass!