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Re: HGV warning - ChristoT - 06-04-15
(06-04-15, 10:06 PM)sinto607276 link Wrote: So how come highway code and UK government say max speed for trucks is 60 on motorways and not 56?
It's not an EU ruling, it's a EU directive, meaning that's what they'd like the individual countries to aim for. It's much the same within my line of work, EU says one thing but UK law says another, I deliver dangerous goods and as long as we don't go outside of UK, we don't need to worry about the EU directives. It is a pain trying to remember all the foccin different rules though!
Because the EU are dicks, and we'd be better rid of them (the political union, at least. The EC made sense, the EU was foist upon us).
Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
(06-04-15, 11:20 PM)ChristoT link Wrote: [quote author=sinto607276 link=topic=16502.msg190127#msg190127 date=1428354366]
Because the EU are dicks, and we'd be better rid of them (the political union, at least. The EC made sense, the EU was foist upon us).
"here here" (in a sort of political sound) lol
Limax, I presume you drive a truck from your statements, from what I gathered from asking some police friends, yes, someone has them;-) anyway....they say, "if you are going faster than the speed limiter you are actually freewheeling and therefor not in control of the vehicle and could be charged with such if you are involved in an incident and deemed to have caused it by not being in control of your vehicle"
Re: HGV warning - Dead Eye - 07-04-15
(06-04-15, 08:48 PM)unfazed link Wrote: [quote author=imax link=topic=16502.msg190028#msg190028 date=1428339204]
It was previously 40 and 50mph. The change in law is supposed to prevent drivers making dangerous overtakes out of frustration and also to reflect the advances in braking technology.
Why don't they raise the limits for Bikes and cars by 10mph if this is the reasoning, strange logic :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
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The idea is to decrease the speed difference of the vehicles, not increase it
Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 11:01 AM)Dead Eye link Wrote: The idea is to decrease the speed difference of the vehicles, not increase it
+1
But it takes everyone to drive/ride at the actual speed limits for that to happen, and that won't happen I don't think :-P
Re: HGV warning - fazersharp - 07-04-15
Isnt the whole idea to make it easier for trucks to overtake each other quickly rather than blocking 2 lanes of a motorway for 3 miles while they slowly inch by
Re: HGV warning - Dead Eye - 07-04-15
I can't see how blanket increase the speed for all trucks would help with that... they will also just crawl past each other as per usual but at a jointly faster pace
sinto is also right as realistically a lot of people exceed the speed limits. Realistically I still think its a good idea and there have been some good studies showing how increasing the speed limits on certain roads has reduced accidents. The biggest factor I do still think is the disparity between vehicle speeds. By reducing that, traffic can slow more evenly and it's easier to merge in to lanes for overtaking etc.
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
Re: HGV warning - fazersharp - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 11:54 AM)Dead Eye link Wrote: It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
Agreed - thats the only time in my cage that I might display any road rage, when I am behind some one doing that because they are also putting me in danger because thanks to them I am now also trying to join 70mph traffic at 30 mph.
Re: HGV warning - Robbie8666 - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 11:54 AM)Dead Eye link Wrote: It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
most drivers forget the proper term for "slip roads" is actually Acceleration Lanes & De-acceleration lanes!! or it was when i last read a highway code!
Re: HGV warning - ChristoT - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 01:45 PM)Robbie8666 link Wrote: [quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=16502.msg190203#msg190203 date=1428404057]
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
most drivers forget the proper term for "slip roads" is actually Acceleration Lanes & De-acceleration lanes!! or it was when i last read a highway code!
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One of the nastiest slip roads I ever had to use was on the A14, the shortcut (from Cambridge) to get to work, just before Fenstanton. A 90 degree left off the carriageway with 30m (if that) of slip road. On, and no hard shoulder! Basically, you needed to get past the lorries, then find the biggest gap you could, to slow and GTFO of the oncoming lorries' way.
The only time joining when joining a motorway at 30mph is safe is when the traffic is doing 30 mph (a depressingly regular occurrence on the M25). You're matching traffic speed. I aim for 60 odd, to match lorry traffic speed if I need to slot in behind one. If all clear, I'm probably at cruise speed before even leaving the slip!
Re: HGV warning - Dead Eye - 07-04-15
There are always exceptions to the rule and I know of a few slip roads that are pretty nasty, but if anything that should just highlight how important it is to make sure you match the speed of the traffic you are joining
(07-04-15, 12:00 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=16502.msg190203#msg190203 date=1428404057]
It drives me absolutely insane when muppets try to join a motorway at 30mph because they are scared and think that going slower is safer. NO. Just no. Floor it up the slip road to a good 60-70 so that you can merge with ease. Worst case scenario, the majority of us can stop much quicker than we can accelerate plus there is a hard shoulder...
Agreed - thats the only time in my cage that I might display any road rage, when I am behind some one doing that because they are also putting me in danger because thanks to them I am now also trying to join 70mph traffic at 30 mph.
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Precisely the same reasoning for me. I try my best to hang back and build up a gap so that I can try and join at a more favourable speed - exception to this is when I have traffic behind me also. For the most part I rarely find this an issue when I'm on the bike, it's mostly when I'm in the car as the bike has far superior acceleration (as we all know)
Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
Amazing how we all need to be considerate to other road users!
Mind you, is that not what it says in the highway code? lol
Re: HGV warning - limax2 - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 08:25 AM)sinto607276 link Wrote: Limax, I presume you drive a truck from your statements, from what I gathered from asking some police friends, yes, someone has them;-) anyway....they say, "if you are going faster than the speed limiter you are actually freewheeling and therefor not in control of the vehicle and could be charged with such if you are involved in an incident and deemed to have caused it by not being in control of your vehicle"My days of driving trucks are long gone, now enjoying the freedom of retirement
. I have for short spells driven trucks for a living but in the eighties i was heavily involved on the design and subsequent testing of speed limiters on HGV's. You are right to say it was an "EU directive" rather than a "Ruling", but from what I remember if we didn't have them fitted by a certain date we wouldn't be able to sell any more vehicles over 7.5 tonnes in the UK and possibly the rest of the EU. (Probably a few exceptions like fire trucks). The speed limiter only cut the engine power at the set speed, so on a down hill you could exceed the speed limit on the over-run as opposed to freewheeling. i.e. still in gear and in control but exceeding the speed limit. Of course you still had a foot brake or exhaust brake etc. to stay within the legal limit. I do miss the view you get from a truck and it still annoys me when I hear people moan about all the HGV's on the road, but don't stop to think how the super markets etc. get supplied. Much nicer on an unrestricted motorbike of course, but not much use for shifting many tons of cargo
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Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
I'm not to sure on your not loading a motorbike so much.....lol
Re: HGV warning - ChristoT - 07-04-15
Pah! Amateurs! :lol :lol
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Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 10:00 PM)ChristoT link Wrote: Pah! Amateurs! :lol :lolQuite like that trailer idea Christo, is it for sale? I could get a lot of easter eggs in that for Yorkhill Childrens Charity
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Re: HGV warning - ChristoT - 07-04-15
The trailer isn't, the towbar is! :lol
Custom made! 1 careful owner! Etc etc! £250, and it's yours.
You can tow any small car trailer behind it without modification. Max you can carry with a Fazer is 150kg (including the trailer), max permissible length from the rear axle is 2.5m. No width restrictions I could find.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle
Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 10:16 PM)ChristoT link Wrote: The trailer isn't, the towbar is! :lolHa ha And you use the word 'careful'?
Custom made! 1 careful owner! Etc etc! £250, and it's yours.
Curious how it's connected though.
I'm looking for a trailer to put the bike on for when I work away, means I can take the bike and go runs at night when I'm in different places
Re: HGV warning - ChristoT - 07-04-15
(07-04-15, 11:03 PM)sinto607276 link Wrote: [quote author=ChristoT link=topic=16502.msg190301#msg190301 date=1428441380]Looking for a trailer to put the bike on for when I work away, means I can take the bike and go runs at night when I'm in different places
The trailer isn't, the towbar is! :lol
Custom made! 1 careful owner! Etc etc! £250, and it's yours.
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Ebay, my friend.
Re: HGV warning - sinto607276 - 07-04-15
Yes, I've got my eye on some, trouble is most are too far away and not available when I'm away or I could pick them up, but sure when the time is right I'll get one
Re: HGV warning - limax2 - 08-04-15
(07-04-15, 09:50 PM)sinto607276 link Wrote: I'm not to sure on your not loading a motorbike so much.....lolHa ha, those pictures make my own efforts at loading look puny :\ .
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