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Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
Tried this.
Clutch area
taken clutch out
It's all to shit and rattles.
What order does it all go in the basket?
Should the plates move when the cover is torqued up (8nm)?
See videos to describe more but I must have it in wrong now as I can't use the clutch
Had a cheeky start with the cover off and the noise is almost certainly in there...
There's the clutch rod, a ball bearing then the end centre plug cap type thing then all the friction plates and cover.
As above what order should they be in and why do they move? Am I missing something perhaps explaining the noise?
See videos:
Clutch: http://youtu.be/-eaKqUeiq24
Clutch 2: http://youtu.be/yMGQqnW-d08
Clutch 3: http://youtu.be/J0f2CP5cOHw
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - Fazerider - 18-03-15
Looks like you've re-assembled the clutch with the pressure plate oriented wrong. It's fussy about which set of holes the screws line up with, if you take it off and relocate it 60º or 120º it should seat properly and you'll feel it clamping against the plates.
The bad news is tightening up the screws with it in the wrong position fractures the bottom of the wells the springs live in, so you'll need to buy a new pressure plate.
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
Jesus Christ. Odd though and still doesn't explain the rattle which seems to be coming from there :/
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
Clutch back together lol
There is a noise that does go when the clutch is pulled in, so I've cable tied the clutch in so I don't get confused.
When my chain snapped about 18 months ago, I ended up having to replace the water pump as it was split by the chain hitting it.
I used a second hand part.
It's pretty noisy down there, is this possibly signs of a water pump issue?
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - Hoppy - 18-03-15
Try a stethoscope see if u can locate the noise at it worst ,you can pick one up on eBay I use one on my bike , you can get close to the noise will give you a clue
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
Tried the screwdriver method, which I guess is similar.
It's pretty hard to trace though
Perhaps I'll order one up
Thanks
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - Hoppy - 18-03-15
30000 is not a lot of miles for a Fazer cam chain unless you hammerd it every day if you have the old chain measure it you will probly find it ok they do stretch but tensioner will take that up at that mileage
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
It's changed now. I do have the old one here though, didn't know how to measure it without comparing to the old one...
And as I didn't fit it.. I can't check.
Shame, as it had 2-3 clicks left probably wouldn't have needed doing the time I own the bike
Never mind, onto this problem now
Thanks
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - darrsi - 18-03-15
Is your coolant level all good and not leaking anywhere?
It has a water pump sound to it.
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
Coolant level was fine last I checked and it's just been topped up again as the water pump was taken off for another job.
The pump was second hand so would make sense
Perhaps I'll gamble and order one.
Can they be had new anywhere? Can't seem to find one anywhere new, didn't fancy yam themselves
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - darrsi - 18-03-15
Try your screwdriver trick on the pump first, it's just that it reminded me of a water pump problem i had on another bike years ago.
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 18-03-15
I tried it, but I'll be honest it's hard to gauge and really really hard to tray shear what area it's from. It's definitely low down but there's a lot of sort of like echo making it seem all over the place, a bit like a wheel bearing on a car, always seems different places.
Wouldn't be surprised, as I said it was second hand last year. Did notice a drip or 2 of coolant near it but nothing on the floor yesterday. It has also just been out so I did put it down to that being the problem
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 19-03-15
Took the water pump off earlier
No tapping
Put it back with no bolts
No Tapping
Tightened it all up, back to tapping.
Ordered another water pump and will see what happens, but it looks promising. Fingers crossed!
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - darrsi - 19-03-15
(19-03-15, 10:04 PM)davidkent link Wrote: Took the water pump off earlier
No tapping
Put it back with no bolts
No Tapping
Tightened it all up, back to tapping.
Ordered another water pump and will see what happens, but it looks promising. Fingers crossed!
Nice work, hopefully that'll be it. :thumbup
Silly question, but i have to ask, is your coolant level all topped up correctly, at the front, and the overflow tank?
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 20-03-15
It was last I checked
always forget about the overflow though
must check later
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 26-03-15
Bad news
Fitted the new pump and topped all the coolant levels up where they should be.
Tap tap tap as usual, perhaps a touch less if anything.
Where does the shaft go? What runs it and could it be this?
Thanks
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - Woodzey80 - 26-03-15
Get a thou Dave k, sounds like uv got a lemon there ! I'm a yam fan but like all manufacturers occasionally a baddun slips through the net !
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - davidkent - 26-03-15
It's all since this damn chain snapped on me, that said I hadn't had it long when that happened, 5 weeks I think.
Since then everything seems to be a repercussion of that. Shame, as it's nice.
Don't wanna sell a lemon on and now im this far I'll just sort it and know that all the work has been done
Be a thou in a couple of years maybe
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - Paulfzs - 27-03-15
chain snapped?
valves and pistons checked?
Re: Had my cam chain done but... - darrsi - 27-03-15
(19-03-15, 10:04 PM)davidkent link Wrote: Took the water pump off earlier
No tapping
Put it back with no bolts
No Tapping
Tightened it all up, back to tapping.
Ordered another water pump and will see what happens, but it looks promising. Fingers crossed!
Are you missing a gasket at all?