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Re: Riding distraction !! - noggythenog - 26-04-14
(26-04-14, 02:48 PM)dazza link Wrote: I also noticed you do a strange thing with your right leg, what's that all about ? :lol I was guessing it was indicating to us behind it was safe to overtake. Happy birthday BTW.
Dirty dog cocks his leg on every corner to mark his territory :b
Re: Riding distraction !! - noggythenog - 26-04-14
Talking of distractions
Ban the sheep!.......ban the sheep!.......ban the sheep!........ :think .......... :moon ..........
ex ........SMASH!!!
Re: Riding distraction !! - unfazed - 26-04-14
I never do a life saver per say as I have seen many do, :eek but I do glance right or left to check the blind spot when driving the car or riding the bike prior to making the pass. This is the most vital part as all vehicles have blind spots. Looking back over your shoulder I feel is a total distraction and gives the idiot in front enough time to slam on the brakes without you seeing it. Properly adjusted mirrors is vital to riding or driving safely.
My tuppence worth
Re: Riding distraction !! - darrsi - 26-04-14
(26-04-14, 03:54 PM)unfazed link Wrote: I never do a life saver per say as I have seen many do, :eek but I do glance right or left to check the blind spot when driving the car or riding the bike prior to making the pass. This is the most vital part as all vehicles have blind spots. Looking back over your shoulder I feel is a total distraction and gives the idiot in front enough time to slam on the brakes without you seeing it. Properly adjusted mirrors is vital to riding or driving safely.
My tuppence worth
Same as, left or right look along with a glance at the mirror "should" be enough, but i generally try and keep an eye on what's close to me as well.
There's a geezer who goes past me every other morning riding some shitty 125 on the way to work who quite often makes me jump.
He has this ability to stay in my blind spot then appear from nowhere, it's like it's his daily mission to get past me.
And his bike's so damn quiet i can't even hear him either.
I've given up wanting to throttle him these days so if i see him in the distance i'll give him a bit of space, as i'm in no real hurry to get to work, but if i ever go to overtake i've gotta make sure the little bugger isn't about to do the same!
Just hope for his sake he never bumps into me. :evil
Re: Riding distraction !! - mickvp - 26-04-14
(26-04-14, 03:15 PM)noggythenog link Wrote: Talking of distractions
Ban the sheep!.......ban the sheep!.......ban the sheep!......[size=0.7em]..[/size] :think .......... :moon ..........
reminds me of the streaker at the new zealand rally - "theres a cunt with his arse out":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFJqM8dR1pQ#ws
now we know what aegis bearing mel has been upto in his spare time :lol
) )
Re: Riding distraction !! - noggythenog - 26-04-14
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Ha ha Mick that is ace :lol
Re: Riding distraction !! - midden - 26-04-14
That so annoys me when other bikes in heavy traffic come past me really close and without any warning. When I come up to another bike (even scooters) I tend to stay behind and if I get fed up and decide to pass I'll attempt to come into their mirror view for a minute or so then take the wide route passed them, even if it delays me a little.
Re: Riding distraction !! - dazza - 26-04-14
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Re: Riding distraction !! - Grahamm - 26-04-14
(26-04-14, 10:02 AM)slimwilly link Wrote: I saw this written the other day that the Police say " when overtaking,don't use indicators or do lifesaver " as these cause loss of concentration on the manouvre,you should already know what is behind you and are aware of others!!
I don't know who wrote that or where they got the idea from, but it's bullshit and dangerous bullshit at that.
The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.
If putting on an indicator or doing a lifesaver is going to cause you to lose concentration, you should reconsider whether you should be on a bike in the first place!
(Oh and Police Roadcraft says nothing of the sort anyway!)
Re: Riding distraction !! - midden - 26-04-14
(26-04-14, 11:42 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=slimwilly link=topic=12808.msg144610#msg144610 date=1398502944]
I saw this written the other day that the Police say " when overtaking,don't use indicators or do lifesaver " as these cause loss of concentration on the manouvre,you should already know what is behind you and are aware of others!!
I don't know who wrote that or where they got the idea from, but it's bullshit and dangerous bullshit at that.
The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.
If putting on an indicator or doing a lifesaver is going to cause you to lose concentration, you should reconsider whether you should be on a bike in the first place!
(Oh and Police Roadcraft says nothing of the sort anyway!)
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http://www.solent-advanced-motorcyclists.co.uk/riding-tips-mainmenu-46/98-less-is-more-.html
Re: Riding distraction !! - Grahamm - 27-04-14
(26-04-14, 02:54 PM)midden link Wrote: Found this which is possibly written by same copper.
http://www.solent-advanced-motorcyclists.co.uk/riding-tips-mainmenu-46/98-less-is-more-.html
Ok, that's weird, I thought I'd read through everything on our site, but I don't recall seeing that document before!!
I see what he's suggesting, but saying "You should look upon the need for a lifesaver or look-behind as a failure" (even though he does clarify what he means subsequently) is a bit iffy as it could be read as "don't do lifesavers".
I'd also point out that that article was probably written before 2002 because it says "Hence the DSA introducing a hazard perception test as part of the theory test in the near future" and that was introduced in 2002.
Yes, excessive Lifesavers are frowned upon now (when I did my Direct Access I was taught that when pulling away from eg traffic lights, you should do a Lifesaver to both sides because that dated from when bikes didn't have mirrors!) but there are times when a quick glance into the blindspot has saved me from a nasty coming together with a vehicle which has managed to get there without being observed.
Re: Riding distraction !! - Simon.Pieman - 27-04-14
(26-04-14, 11:42 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=slimwilly link=topic=12808.msg144610#msg144610 date=1398502944]Just how on earth can you be sure that the vehicle in front is aware you are planning on overtaking? Surely you should ride as if the vehicles around you haven't seen you at all, let alone obligingly aware of what you intend to do next!
I saw this written the other day that the Police say " when overtaking,don't use indicators or do lifesaver " as these cause loss of concentration on the manouvre,you should already know what is behind you and are aware of e]
I don't knowIwho wrote that or where they got the idea from, but it's bullshit and dangerous bullshit at that.
The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.
I don't know who IPSGA is, but it sounds like a bullshit system to me.
Re: Riding distraction !! - VNA - 27-04-14
It all depends on the situation.
There is no need for a 'lifesaver' every time you make a move.
But say joining a dual carriageway or motorway I just about always take a quick look across and behind me.
So no not big on the 'lifesaver' thing, never have been, waste of time if you already, 100% sure, know what's behind you.
Also when you are doing a lifesaver, you ain't looking where you are going, so keep em to a minimum.
Re: Riding distraction !! - Grahamm - 27-04-14
(27-04-14, 07:39 AM)Simon.Pieman link Wrote: [quote author=Grahamm link=topic=12808.msg144807#msg144807 date=1398552157]
The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.
Just how on earth can you be sure that the vehicle in front is aware you are planning on overtaking? [/quote]
You can't, of course, be 100% sure, but there are ways you can *try* to make them aware by giving them information, such as headlamp flashes or a quick toot on the horn etc and you can look to see if they're checking their mirrors or moving over to help you pass.
Quote:Surely you should ride as if the vehicles around you haven't seen you at all, let alone obligingly aware of what you intend to do next!
You should take the actions and behaviour of other road users into account when you're making your Riding Plan (ie deciding what you're going to do next) or, indeed, whether what you're going to do next is safe. That's Information again.
Quote:I don't know who IPSGA is, but it sounds like a bullshit system to me.
IPSGA stands for Information, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration.
If you'd ever read Police Motorcycle Roadcraft or done any advanced training you'd have heard of it...