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Re: thundercat vs Fazer - simonm - 20-09-13
I saw a thundercat today for the first time. It looks lovely. They seem very rare compared to the fazers etc.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - kebab19 - 20-09-13
That shouldn't be the case, they were sold for two years longer than the Fzs600 & were meant to be steady sellers.
However I agree, they are comparatively rare.
Perhaps the extra 8 ponies means they've all blown up.
Or more likely 2nd gear has gone on them....
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - nick crisp - 20-09-13
They are definitely prone to a gearbox problem, but can't remember exactly what - we had one sitting round the workshop at the last bike shop I worked in (belonged to the shop) for months because we just didn't have the time to strip it down.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - noggythenog - 20-09-13
Theres only 2.3 thousand registered thundercats on the road at present.
& about 7 thousand fazer 600's 8)
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - JoeRock - 20-09-13
They were never that big a seller to be honest, around that period in the 90s most people went for the CBR600F if they wanted a practical bike, or the GSXR/Ninja if they wanted a bit more of a nutter - the Thundercat was seen as a bit of an overweight middleground, shame really as its one of the last proper 600 sports bikes that you could do absolutely everything on!
The FZS 6 on the other hand was a bloody well selling bike throughout its entire life time, was still selling well before it was forced out by the FZ6 due to emissions laws!
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Punkstig - 20-09-13
(20-09-13, 06:00 PM)nick crisp link Wrote: They are definitely prone to a gearbox problem, but can't remember exactly what - we had one sitting round the workshop at the last bike shop I worked in (belonged to the shop) for months because we just didn't have the time to strip it down.I only had 2nd gear probs on my 120,000 miler,
(20-09-13, 08:52 PM)JoeRock link Wrote: They were never that big a seller to be honest, around that period in the 90s most people went for the CBR600F if they wanted a practical bike, or the GSXR/Ninja if they wanted a bit more of a nutter - the Thundercat was seen as a bit of an overweight middleground, shame really as its one of the last proper 600 sports bikes that you could do absolutely everything on!
The FZS 6 on the other hand was a bloody well selling bike throughout its entire life time, was still selling well before it was forced out by the FZ6 due to emissions laws!
I think at the time Honda was winning everything which is why the cbr won sales, I was quite surprised when I read earlier this year there was only 2000 thundercats left in the uk.
Funnily I always found 2nd hand parts more valuable for the fazer than the cat
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Slaninar - 21-09-13
(19-09-13, 08:09 PM)Punkstig link Wrote: [size=78%]Exactly Nick,[/size]
Funnily enough I was thinking the other day isn't it strange that there's a few of us out there making our 'comfortable' sports tourer more sporty, then you have the likes of sports bike riders doing the opposite when doing the streetfighter thing!
In Serbia,
a streetfighter = wracked sportsbike that owner couldn't afford to change fairings, and/or instruments, lights.
a sports-tourer = not enough money for a decent GSXR, or an R6/R1 (since roads are so bad that you need an enduro bike for real touring)
a sports bike = puberty (chicks magnet), or midlife crisis, since there really aren't any roads good enough for riding sports bike like it should be ridden, and a few race tracks in Serbia are just good for carting cars, or perhaps a super-moto style riding
a super-moto bike = (ex) racers that really can ride well and fast
enduro bike = what would be an averaga sports-tourer user in Germany, or a weed loving hippie - depending on the age and model of the bike.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - mr self destruct - 21-09-13
(19-09-13, 07:37 PM)Punkstig link Wrote: People should stop thinking the bikes share this and share that, they don't, there's probably a handful of things at most.
It's all an urban myth created by Haynes because they couldn't be arsed to publish two separate manuals.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Punkstig - 21-09-13
(21-09-13, 07:02 AM)mr self destruct link Wrote: [quote author=Punkstig link=topic=9956.msg102657#msg102657 date=1379615855]
People should stop thinking the bikes share this and share that, they don't, there's probably a handful of things at most.
[size=1em]It's all an urban myth created by Haynes because they couldn't be arsed to publish two separate manuals. [/size]
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Hey I'm happy with Haynes, I've had 2 fazers and 2 Tcat's, but only one manual required, win!
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - loadeddice - 26-09-13
Interesting thread this. I owned two T/cats back in 98 & 99. Yes, they were not the most sought after 'sportsbike' as the other makes always attracted more attention. Looks were another factor, T/cat was different. Whilst owning the T/cat I also rode friends Honda CBR6's. I far prefered T/cat for a number of reasons. Comfort, midrange, airbox sound & more. Just a shame the frame was steel, not ali. I then went on to acquire a ZX6R as it was lighter, but not better! I still have my ZX6R but always hanker after a T/cat again.
Comparing my T/cats with my existing Fazer 600, well it's not a fair comparison. As you would expect, Tcat has more power & far better suspension. But they are different & made for different tasks. Both excellent bikes.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Punkstig - 26-09-13
(26-09-13, 11:42 AM)loadeddice link Wrote: Just a shame the frame was steel, not ali. excellent bikes.
Thundercats have an Aluminium alloy frame!
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Motorbreath - 26-09-13
No, they haven't. I think even the swing arm is steel. They weigh almost as much as Aces because of it.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - JoeRock - 26-09-13
(26-09-13, 06:23 PM)Punkstig link Wrote: [quote author=loadeddice link=topic=9956.msg104045#msg104045 date=1380192131]
Just a shame the frame was steel, not ali. excellent bikes.
Thundercats have an Aluminium alloy frame!
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Sorry Stig, but I'd always thought it was a deltabox steel frame too?
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Punkstig - 26-09-13
I was going by the Haynes manual, you trying to say they lied to me about this?
I thought Haynes was gospel and no one ever questioned it,
Like in order to change the rear wheel spindle the front fairing, headlight unit and carburettors must first be removed!
Everyone does that, right? I mean that's why it's £400 to change a rear tyre!
Apologies, I'd never questioned the history I'd read!
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - loadeddice - 26-09-13
Ooops, have I started something here...? I'm pretty sure both my T/cats were steel as rust appeared when scratched, (both mine were damaged repairables-Yamaha bike link insurance sell off). I'm prepared to be corrected of course. Maybe the later examples were ali...? Mine were 97 & 98 models.
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Punkstig - 27-09-13
/\ sarcasm never comes across that well in text!
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - Motorbreath - 27-09-13
(26-09-13, 07:10 PM)Punkstig link Wrote: I was going by the Haynes manual, you trying to say they lied to me about this?
I thought Haynes was gospel and no one ever questioned it,
Like in order to change the rear wheel spindle the front fairing, headlight unit and carburettors must first be removed!
Everyone does that, right? I mean that's why it's £400 to change a rear tyre!
Apologies, I'd never questioned the history I'd read!
Haynes also has a wrong schematic picture for the fazer forks, from a different bike. Worse: the fork schematic of the 2000 Yamaha supplemetary manual misses a part.
The only place to find right a 2000- fazer fork is the parts catalogue :rolleyes
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - wezdavo - 27-09-13
According to wiki its steel deltabox...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF600R
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - paulchucky - 17-01-16
gentlemen i have only 1 thing to say on this matter
a few quid makes a FAZER what it needs to be ! ! !
Re: thundercat vs Fazer - unfazed - 17-01-16
A friend had a Thundercat a few years ago and the Fazer was faster 50 to 80 mph, but over 80mph the Thundercat would fly.
Any part number beginning with 4TV for the fazer is a Thunder cat part number and many of the gears and main shaft in the fazer gearbox are 4TV including 2nd gear
To put the record straight as regards the power output see below specification as per Yamaha Brochure for both, there was no change in the quoted power output throughout the life of either. Power quoted is metric HP