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Re: Steering handlebar stops? - YamFazMan - 26-08-13
Suspension front fork alignment
From Hot Poop The following method of checking your fork alignment (i.e. "are they twisted?")
A simple way to check your fork alignment:-
Get two STRAIGHT lengths of tube or rod 12mm to 19mm dia. about a Metre long Then with the bike on the centre stand turn the ignition switch to "unlock" and remove the key and straighten the steering.
Place one tube horizontal and centralized on top the black fork protectors that are fitted to the fork sliders, making sure it is contacting both fork stanchions. Work the other tube between the control cables on the top yoke and then sit the tube on the top yoke in front of the fork legs and in contact with the ROUND part of both fork top caps (on later models you could sit the tube on the fork top nuts and back against the preload adjusters).
Then get on the bike standing on the foot rests and look down at the tubes they should be parallel if not the forks are twisted in the yokes or bent, the length of the tube exaggerates the error and make it easy to see.
What you do If the forks are only twisted and NOT bent
With the bike still on the centre stand place a scissor-jack and a piece of wood under the exhaust pipes and just support the weight of the bike. Slack of the four cap-screws (Allen screws) of the top and bottom yokes, the jack will stop the forks just sliding through the yokes. Determine which way the forks are twisted in the yokes, then stand in front of the bike and grip the front wheel with your knees and pull and push the handlebars, until the tubes are parallel to each other, then re-torque the four top & bottom yoke cap-head screws. Finally recheck the long tubes are still parallel to each other, Job done.
ATB YFM
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - stevierst - 27-08-13
The 758's (ultra low's) are a bit lower, wider, and with less sweep than standard. Comfier, and also a bit sportier. I'm 6'1" with stupidly long limbs, and these bars are spot on for me. Both my last two boxeyes have been fitted with these bars, and clearance isn't an issue if your fairing is straight.
As for the bar end mirrors, they should come with 13mm spacers. I've used them in the past on Renthals with no bother.
And if your lock stop is damaged, best to get it repaired than risk failing an MOT through bodging it. Just my opinion of course :
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - noggythenog - 27-08-13
Ah so the 758's are the ultra lows, i see.yep i reckon ill go with them, they aren't that expensive either.
& the lock stop ill put in to a garage to get done because im not too confident yet about stripping the whole front end off.luckily the day of my crash the bike was issued with a clean new mot so i can afford to put that job off a little while yet.
Next mission......getting the grips off the standard bars which i believe can be a royal pain.
& although im gutted about trashing my pride & joy, all this upgrade therapy is helping allot!
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - noggythenog - 27-08-13
(26-08-13, 11:51 PM)YamFazMan link Wrote: Suspension front fork alignment
From Hot Poop The following method of checking your fork alignment (i.e. "are they twisted?")
A simple way to check your fork alignment:-
Get two STRAIGHT lengths of tube or rod 12mm to 19mm dia. about a Metre long Then with the bike on the centre stand turn the ignition switch to "unlock" and remove the key and straighten the steering.
Place one tube horizontal and centralized on top the black fork protectors that are fitted to the fork sliders, making sure it is contacting both fork stanchions. Work the other tube between the control cables on the top yoke and then sit the tube on the top yoke in front of the fork legs and in contact with the ROUND part of both fork top caps (on later models you could sit the tube on the fork top nuts and back against the preload adjusters).
Then get on the bike standing on the foot rests and look down at the tubes they should be parallel if not the forks are twisted in the yokes or bent, the length of the tube exaggerates the error and make it easy to see.
What you do If the forks are only twisted and NOT bent
With the bike still on the centre stand place a scissor-jack and a piece of wood under the exhaust pipes and just support the weight of the bike. Slack of the four cap-screws (Allen screws) of the top and bottom yokes, the jack will stop the forks just sliding through the yokes. Determine which way the forks are twisted in the yokes, then stand in front of the bike and grip the front wheel with your knees and pull and push the handlebars, until the tubes are parallel to each other, then re-torque the four top & bottom yoke cap-head screws. Finally recheck the long tubes are still parallel to each other, Job done.
ATB YFM
Thanks yamfazman, i hadnt looked in hot poop.
I am a bit confused by twisting though, if the forks arent bent then can someone explain twisting please?
For example i loosened off both yolks & i twisted the forks & pushed them through the yolks, even if i had twisted the fork with my hand & rotated it say 180 degrees in the process then what difference would that make as it is just a steel tube & there isnt a "face this way forward" on it or anything????
Or is it the yokes that get twisted & if so would that not mostly always end with some damage to the fork also???
Ive gotta say that my glass is half full on this one, considering that i went down to the side with no direct impact or head on with anything,at 40mph, if the handlebars did bend then it wasnt by much & my hope is that they were much weaker than the forks & therefore absorbed the force.i do hope anyway :\
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - Dead Eye - 27-08-13
Slight misunderstanding of "twisting" - its not an individual fork that is twisted on its own axis.
Basically, the top and bottom yokes can become out of alignment. Think about it as both fork legs are secured in the bottom yoke but the tops aren't. If you were to sit on the bike and pull one of the tops of the forks towards you, it would force the other one away from you - but the bottom yoke would still be exactly where it was before. End result is "twisted" forks and this can be caused by a crash / off
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - noggythenog - 27-08-13
[quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=9563.msg96898#msg96898 date=1377594174]
Slight misunderstanding of "twisting" - its not an individual fork that is twisted on its own axis.
Basically, the top and bottom yokes can become out of alignment. Think about it as both fork legs are secured in the bottom yoke but the tops aren't. If you were to sit on the bike and pull one of the tops of the forks towards you, it would force the other one away from you - but the bottom yoke would still be exactly where it was before. End result is "twisted" forks and this can be caused by a crash / off
Ah ok i get a better picture of it all now dead eye, thanks buddy! :thumbup
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - Dead Eye - 27-08-13
You're welcome
By using two pipes to effectively extend the length of the forks, you can see if they are twisted as they won't be in line with each other - one will be further forward and one further back. You can then use this as a way to calibrate them back to being straight. In any case, I don't think you'll find any problem on yours as you mostly slid instead of having a hard impact like mine was - but then my forks were pretty mashed up and you'd have to be blind to not see it
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - noggythenog - 27-08-13
Good luck with the rebuild dead eye, you always seem to be rebuilding a fazer.
I've got lots of bling now en-route to my fazer now, actually i got carried away, on the list so far is:-
MX fairing headlight
Shorty levers
Bar end mirrors
New brake pedal
Renthal ultra lows
Renthal Blingy brace
Oh & a nice tuning fork decal
Replacement fairing bracket
& i still need
Replacement crankcase cover
Indicators & clip on mechanism
So im defo never selling my fazer now, it will only ever be worth me stripping it for parts.
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - Dead Eye - 27-08-13
Yeah, I'm always up to something but that's more to do with their having always been something wrong for the past year almost...
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - stevierst - 27-08-13
Good luck with the rebuild noggy, she'll definately be an individual bike when you get her back on the road. 8)
Re: Steering handlebar stops? - noggythenog - 27-08-13
(27-08-13, 01:16 PM)stevierst link Wrote: Good luck with the rebuild noggy, she'll definately be an individual bike when you get her back on the road. 8)
Cheers Stevie!, thanks for the advice.