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Re: clutchless gear change - VNA - 08-07-13
You mean some folks don't?
Clutch is for 1st gear, sometimes 2nd to 3rd in traffic, and on it down changes only.
I guess it's like lots of folks don't know how to steer their bike (true but frightening) and loads of folks are fathing aboot screwing up gear changes with the clutch when you don't need to touch it. Dear of dear!
Re: clutchless gear change - Buzz - 08-07-13
...on the topic of "smooth" changes, how about "blipping" on downshifts? I've tried it a few times but can never get it right, I'm sure the missus would appreciate it though.
Re: clutchless gear change - Slaninar - 08-07-13
(08-07-13, 09:01 AM)Buzz link Wrote: ...on the topic of "smooth" changes, how about "blipping" on downshifts? I've tried it a few times but can never get it right, I'm sure the missus would appreciate it though.
Practice until you get it right. Small 4 cylinder Fazer is forgiving, but a single cylinder bike could lock the rear wheel when downshifting without blipping (unless smooth with clutch).
Re: clutchless gear change - Dead Eye - 08-07-13
(08-07-13, 09:01 AM)Buzz link Wrote: ...on the topic of "smooth" changes, how about "blipping" on downshifts? I've tried it a few times but can never get it right, I'm sure the missus would appreciate it though.
Yup, I do this all the time as well
Took a bit of getting used to initially, but I do it without thinking now. Occasionally I'll get it wrong a little, but most of the time its fine and is sooo much smoother when coming down the gears
Re: clutchless gear change - sure2ride - 08-07-13
Tried it once, didn't like it..... ( Bit like sex
) Mate of mines a retired bike copper, does it all the time. Been a pillion on his bike and it was as smooth as you like. Not for me though, just can;t get the knack so I stick with the clutch. Horses for courses I think.
Re: clutchless gear change - Dave48 - 08-07-13
For less experienced riders having the clutch is a good start! Clutchless changes can be done smoothly quickly & without any internal engine damage-but as they say "Practice makes Perfect". It also helps if you can visualise what all the various components are doing inside the motor/gearbox-encourages mechanical sympathy. No reason why you cant learn to front brake & downchange blipping the throttle simultaneously.
Re: clutchless gear change - Dead Eye - 08-07-13
Its quite a good feeling when you master it, using the front brake at the same time takes a bit of getting used to. I understand why a lot of riders only use one or two fingers for braking now and why they fit shortened levers... definitely on my to-do list
Re: clutchless gear change - notoriusb.e.n - 10-07-13
Had to do 200 miles without a clutch when my beemer broke down in wales - clutchless changes are easy just get the revs right and gently apply pressure on the lever till it snicks in - its the stopping/starting without one thats the challenge!
However my preference is to use the clutch as Mr Bike Designer intended.
Re: clutchless gear change - simonm - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 08:51 AM)notoriusb.e.n link Wrote: Had to do 200 miles without a clutch when my beemer broke down in wales - clutchless changes are easy just get the revs right and gently apply pressure on the lever till it snicks in - its the stopping/starting without one thats the challenge!I thought you were supposed to roll off the throttle while changing so that the gears are not under engine load ?
However my preference is to use the clutch as Mr Bike Designer intended.
Re: clutchless gear change - notoriusb.e.n - 10-07-13
Yes, you want the revs to be about where they would be for a normal change (or slightly higher) and let off, then re-engage. tbh though I was a bit caveman in my approach being as it was out of necessity rather than choice.
Re: clutchless gear change - Dead Eye - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 08:54 AM)simonm link Wrote: [quote author=notoriusb.e.n link=topic=8708.msg86812#msg86812 date=1373442674]I thought you were supposed to roll off the throttle while changing so that the gears are not under engine load ?
Had to do 200 miles without a clutch when my beemer broke down in wales - clutchless changes are easy just get the revs right and gently apply pressure on the lever till it snicks in - its the stopping/starting without one thats the challenge!
However my preference is to use the clutch as Mr Bike Designer intended.
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Yup, that's correct
Completely different technique required when coming down the box and its much more difficult
Re: clutchless gear change - red98 - 10-07-13
the answer to a smooth clutchless gearchange up and down the box is to match engine speed to road speed
this is why blipping helps on down shifts.....try it going down the box by very gently pressing down on the lever whilst the revs drop on slowing down and when the speeds are matched it will just slip into gear....thats why practice helps and also getting to know the bike
Re: clutchless gear change - Enceladus - 10-07-13
have a look at this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdrUj1KqNRI&list=SPC062163835B4F220&index=6
Re: clutchless gear change - sure2ride - 10-07-13
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go
Re: clutchless gear change - Enceladus - 10-07-13
he has done a better one.
will see if i can find it.
Re: clutchless gear change - simonm - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 01:46 PM)sure2ride link Wrote: Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go
I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector. Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again. It's a sweet feelin
Re: clutchless gear change - Enceladus - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 02:38 PM)simonm link Wrote: [quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go
I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector. Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again. It's a sweet feelin
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sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing! :o
Re: clutchless gear change - simonm - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 02:43 PM)Enceladus link Wrote: [quote author=simonm link=topic=8708.msg86880#msg86880 date=1373463501]
[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go
I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector. Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again. It's a sweet feelin
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sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing! :o
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I've found myself using the clutch for 1-2 cos it's so clunky I only really clutchless going upward for 3,4,5 &6
Re: clutchless gear change - Enceladus - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 02:54 PM)simonm link Wrote: [quote author=Enceladus link=topic=8708.msg86881#msg86881 date=1373463822]
[quote author=simonm link=topic=8708.msg86880#msg86880 date=1373463501]
[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go
I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector. Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again. It's a sweet feelin
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sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing! :o
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I've found myself using the clutch for 1-2 cos it's so clunky I only really clutchless going upward for 3,4,5 &6
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ditto.
if you have a look at the other gearchanging vids russ (roadcraft nottingham) has done, they are quite helpful as a prelude to clutchless changing.
Re: clutchless gear change - Dead Eye - 10-07-13
(10-07-13, 02:54 PM)simonm link Wrote: [quote author=Enceladus link=topic=8708.msg86881#msg86881 date=1373463822]
[quote author=simonm link=topic=8708.msg86880#msg86880 date=1373463501]
[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go
I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector. Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again. It's a sweet feelin
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sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing! :o
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I've found myself using the clutch for 1-2 cos it's so clunky I only really clutchless going upward for 3,4,5 &6
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Just in case; a false neutral is finding a space between two gears (that aren't 1st or 2nd) where neither is engaged
I've had this happen once on my old bike where I went to go from 5th to 6th and ended up not being in any gear at all, makes a nice crunch when you finally get it in
