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Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Lawrence - 21-09-12
(21-09-12, 11:30 AM)DILLIGAFF link Wrote: Good start, but why stop there? I have always believed that a standard licence should only entitle you to drive vehicles up to a certain size or power.That's not because they're driving a 4x4, that's because they can't drive.
How about a separate test requirement to drive a 4x4 or large SUV ?
Try and drive through Weybridge when all the little Tarquins and Hermiones are being collected from school and you will be surrounded by mums struggling to get their tanks through gaps wide enough for two London buses.
My Mondeo is longer than a Land Rover Discovery, maybe that should be covered too? Maybe a basic licence should restrict you to one of these until you pass additional tests to cover bigger engine/physical size/number of seats/number of cupholders.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Grahamm - 21-09-12
(21-09-12, 07:44 AM)FuZzBoM link Wrote: Having a power restriction does not change the mentality or the ability of these people though does it..
No, but if they have to do another test to demonstrate their ability, maybe they'll remember a bit more of what they learned.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - smithfz - 22-09-12
nah
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Lawrence - 22-09-12
(21-09-12, 02:30 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=FuZzBoM link=topic=4672.msg39933#msg39933 date=1348209857]
Having a power restriction does not change the mentality or the ability of these people though does it..
No, but if they have to do another test to demonstrate their ability, maybe they'll remember a bit more of what they learned.
[/quote]They've already done one though, if that isn't good enough then that test needs to be changed rather than add another, optional, test.
Fwiw I drove like a bit of a twat when I first passed my test (like a lot of 18 year olds I guess) and only calmed down when I got a speeding ticket three months later. Having a 70bhp 1.4 litre car didn't stop me from doing 45 in a 30.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Grahamm - 22-09-12
(22-09-12, 04:52 PM)Lawrence link Wrote: They've already done one though, if that isn't good enough then that test needs to be changed rather than add another, optional, test.
The first Test simply demonstrates that you've achieved the *bare minimum* standard to be allowed out on the roads in control of a vehicle, that's it.
And for car drivers, that *is* it, when you can show you can do that bare minimum, there's absolutely no requirement to even demonstrate it again unless you do something sufficiently stupid to get yourself banned and have to do a retest, so you can get into all sorts of bad habits (which you're probably not even aware of), let alone even read a copy of the Highway Code again.
Making the first Test harder isn't really going to make people remember anything more once they've done it, the only thing that will is making them have to demonstrate subsequently that they still know it.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Lawrence - 22-09-12
So what you need is compulsary retests every few years, not a power restriction for new drivers. I'm sure I have bad habits now that I didn't have when I passed my test (driving one handed for example) but I'm a far better driven now than I was then.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - smithfz - 22-09-12
its all very well the people that have already past the test! (i doubt the learners would jump at the chance to make the process more elaborate than it needs to be!!) to sign up to the idea a way a standard should be brought about, lm sure the dsa would love the idea of making a profit from this idea but i do believe learning to drive is but a very simple learning process. Rant Rant Rant
Unless were talking about a free course here..... unlikely.
what are we talkinig about again.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - D4Delta - 22-09-12
Good idea - I've just signed.
I like the idea of making someone get experience on a motorbike first before taking the test in a car. Would improve road sense and make them more aware of bike riders. If they insisted on doing stupid things they would probably injure less people as well, if not just themselves.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Tiberius Onklevaart - 22-09-12
I'm not sure i entirely agree with this. Here's for why:-
I passed bike test, restricted, 6 odd year ago. After 2 year was up, massive sigh of relief. I still hooned with the restrictor. I was 26/27 year old. No car licence at that time. Fair enough then. Had i spent the money, DAS, but i chose not to.
I got a job with the fire service last year that required a full UK licence. It didn't specify 2 wheels or 4 wheels but i met the criteria. Technically. So 9 lessons and the test i got the full entitlement in september last year. GO ME!!! :woot
I now drive a variety of cars for the service as part of my duties (diesels, so 1500cc and more) and if this restriction came into it, i would not be able to do the job. The petition doesn't state age at any point, so if it was only for younger folk, then woop, but otherwise, i'd have been screwed.
And having been riding for years, i'm no road novice and been karting in my spare time since i was 16, had a bunch of driving lessons some years back and i have a fair knowledge of how to handle 4 wheels, even prior to passing my test. I'm only a year in, knocked back down to 6 point probation (which is actually 3 until the SP30 runs out in feb, then back to 6 til next sept) and if this came into force, i'd still be classed as a n00b.
I'm all for equality, but not so much of a fan of whataboutery
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Grahamm - 23-09-12
(22-09-12, 11:37 PM)Tiberius Onklevaart link Wrote: The petition doesn't state age at any point
True, but the implication is that, as with bikes, it would have similar age bands because it's the 17-25 age group who are the biggest risk.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Tiberius Onklevaart - 25-09-12
When its law, implications have interpretations, I'd prefer it prescribed in this case.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - dolau - 26-09-12
I have signed it
Around here (mid Wales) you can take a pass+ lesson so that your instructor will take you to a dual carriageway and show you the ropes as there are none around here. I think that should be compulsory and the 'P' plate indicating that you passed recently so we can all see who you are.
I see the arguments above about insurance being a limiting factor but as I feel that further training for bikers (bikesafe, IAM, ROSPA) should be compulsory for bikers- for their own safety, I think the same should apply to new drivers- I say new as not all drivers who just passed their test are 17- my wife didnt pass her test till she was about 40
I think some of the problem might be (for youngsters) that their artillery barrel exhaust on a Corsa and sound system up full and arm out the window means they are not concentrating on the road and cant here other road users.... now a limit on overall noise (sound and exhaust) like bikers are limited- would be a good cause
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Lawrence - 27-09-12
(26-09-12, 09:41 AM)dolau link Wrote: I have signed itAnything that is obviously louder than a standard system should fail the MOT. Afaik there's no hard limit, but if you stick a huge fart cannon on a Corsa it should fail. That said my 200sx passed every year with a moderately louder (louder than standard but not stupid) exhaust on it.
Around here (mid Wales) you can take a pass+ lesson so that your instructor will take you to a dual carriageway and show you the ropes as there are none around here. I think that should be compulsory and the 'P' plate indicating that you passed recently so we can all see who you are.
I see the arguments above about insurance being a limiting factor but as I feel that further training for bikers (bikesafe, IAM, ROSPA) should be compulsory for bikers- for their own safety, I think the same should apply to new drivers- I say new as not all drivers who just passed their test are 17- my wife didnt pass her test till she was about 40
I think some of the problem might be (for youngsters) that their artillery barrel exhaust on a Corsa and sound system up full and arm out the window means they are not concentrating on the road and cant here other road users.... now a limit on overall noise (sound and exhaust) like bikers are limited- would be a good cause
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Fatherbiker - 27-09-12
In respect to having louder exhausts on a bike, when I had my 1200 Bandit, the very first day i took it out I was nearly taken off it by a stupid woman at a roundabout crossing from her left hand lane (as if to turn left and also marked on the road) into the right lane where i was to go straight over the roundabout, simply because she didn't hear me there let alone SEE me there!!...That day, i went home and fitted a nice ART race can which was oviously illegal but at least the bike could be heard. That alone must make it right to fit louder exhausts to bikes?????...... :evil :evil :evil
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - smithfz - 27-09-12
You'll notice my low post count, it literally should be in the thousands but every time i conjure up a responce l reread my post and realise: Christ l'd get chucked out this place.
:lol
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - breadlord - 28-09-12
Not gonna be signing this, I'm afraid.
I don't think the solution to over-legislation is more laws.
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - smithfz - 28-09-12
Thank You Breadlord!
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Chillum - 28-09-12
(27-09-12, 11:48 PM)grum_pe1@hotmail.com link Wrote: You'll notice my low post count, it literally should be in the thousands but every time i conjure up a responce l reread my post and realise: Christ l'd get chucked out this place.
It is notoriously difficult to get chucked out of this place
Re: Petition for power restrictions for new car drivers - Jacko - 28-09-12
Low powered cars do 70mph
I'd rather my kids were in a car with the better brakes and handling of a higher powered car
if it all went Pete Tong at 70