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Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Rusty - 21-08-12
I've no idea why the first guy lost it actually as that corner looked do-able, I think his foot peg touched down and he panicked? But it just goes to show that it doesn't have to be your mistake that gets you hurt. I love riding in jeans and a T shirt in very hot weather over slow/short distances, but on a fast journey wearing full kit's a no brainer.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Grahamm - 21-08-12
(21-08-12, 09:54 AM)Rusty link Wrote:I've no idea why the first guy lost it actually as that corner looked do-able, I think his foot peg touched down and he panicked?
I'd agree. He seems to be trying to get his knee down, but he and the bike are leaning virtually at the same angle and he doesn't seem to be shifting his bum over to keep the centre of gravity down and the bike more upright. Probably he was caught by surprise when he grounded the peg, felt the bike move, grabbed the brakes and just went straight on
As for the guy in the background, I think he also tries to anchor up and also goes straight on then skids on the grass.
Quote:But it just goes to show that it doesn't have to be your mistake that gets you hurt.
Absolutely.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Phil TK - 21-08-12
(20-08-12, 12:02 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote:one of the dive instructors who wore a tshirt, shorts and flip flops (he did have a helmet though) to ride home on his TDM.
It was 40+ degrees there
I would have worn that same in that heat, just 5 mins in a traffic jam wearing proper clobber would be unhealthy and probably dangerous in 40C. I would have substituted jeans for shorts perhaps but probably resort to shorts after a few days of getting jeans and underpants wringing with sweat (prickly heat around the bollocks is not fun).
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - steeeve66 - 21-08-12
(21-08-12, 08:25 AM)MadDogMcQ link Wrote:See that 3rd guy drop his bike right at the end??
weird, looks like he just rolled on the grass and fell over.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - pitternator - 22-08-12
to my mind the second rider was getting closer and closer to the rider ahead as the ride progressed. I felt his attention was drifting too, lifting hand off bars, waving , looking around. Left himself with less room for manoeuvre than he could have. I could see the first guy was going to crash,his line was wrong , he was going in too fast .... I would have cut deeper into the corner to avoid the bike which obviously was going to come back on the road.Its typical of group riding dangers, and why I only ride with competant riders. The crash was totally avoidable, I also felt they were not slowing down at all for the bends, not looking through the corner and picking the right apex. Just barrelling in, and lo...corner was overcooked. Sadly its inexperienced riding at fault.A hard lesson to learn...
With regards to clothing ...what we all should remember is just how quickly our bikes can accelerate, so even going out in thin clothing with the firm intention of just bimbling, its just seconds of throttle to get to big speeds where an off will result in gravel rash. I have crashed in jeans at 70/80 mph, and they offer no protection at all . My minimum wear for the last 10 yrs or so has been good textiles( armoured) or a draggin type jean.Normal wear is leather jeans with knee sliders ( extra protection! ).My theory is, if its too hot to feel comfy , then dont ride...
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Rusty - 22-08-12
(22-08-12, 07:20 AM)pitternator link Wrote:
My theory is, if its too hot to feel comfy , then dont ride...
I'm not keen on that theory Pitternator, those are exactly the sort of days I feel like going for a ride! :lol
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Slaninar - 22-08-12
(20-08-12, 07:33 AM)SteveH41 link Wrote:Yup, and unfortunately the last couple of days I have lost count of the amount of idiots riding without even basic protection or GLOVES! It may be hot when I'm getting ready to go out but as soon as I start moving all is well. Have found the best base layer stuff for me is some cheap Hi Gear stuff from go outdoors.
Real men don't need petty protection! ARRRR!
When it's 39 degrees centigrade IN THE SHADE, with high humidity, I wear short pants and shirt. Gloves and helmet yes... most of the time.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - SteveH41 - 22-08-12
I suppose it comes down to this.... Its your life so if you choose to ride without correct gear then don't start crying if you get hurt following an off. My personal choice is to wear the best i can afford and feel safe in, if its too hot then go later in the day or not at all.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - sadlonelygit - 24-08-12
two points to be made here.
just got back from abroad where it was 40+. nipping 2 miles into town didn't warrant getting togged up. it was a risk i was prepared to take, and with SWMBO on the back as well it meant i made mother theresa look like a hells angel with my standard of driving. it's all about mitigating the risk, the more gear we have on the safer we feel (didn't stop me showing off when solo though!).
re the video, you can see that he's
a) riding for the camera
b) carrying too much entry and getting his apexes wrong
c) not hanging off enough, it seems that he felt he wasn't going to make it and didn't have any more lean left!
d) used the front instead of the rear brake
and the camera man target fixated at the crash, and the guy at the back had his front wheel on the road and back on the gravel, hence why the back came round on him.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Phil TK - 24-08-12
(22-08-12, 04:20 PM)SteveH41 link Wrote: if its too hot then go later in the day or not at all.
Not useful advice if you live in Thailand where it's 35C most of the time with mental humidity.
Wearing too much clothing in those conditions will affect your skills and judgement when you (very quickly) start to overheat and moreover, you won't notice your riding is getting worse.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Lawrence - 24-08-12
(22-08-12, 07:20 AM)pitternator link Wrote: or a draggin type jean.How good are they vs armoured textile trousers? Also are they all much the same or do you get what you pay for? Prices seem to vary from about £60 up to well over £200.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Rusty - 24-08-12
When Ride magazine did a product test on bike jeans Draggin came out top with a full 5 seconds of abrasion resistance.
Others fared poorly considering they were sold as specifically for use on bikes, with the worst (I forget who) lasting less than a second before failing. From that test I drew the conclusion that Draggin's did what they are supposed to do although others costing a similar amount didn't,. So not really a case of 'get what you pay for' but that it's possible to pay a Draggins type money but not get the same level of protection.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - VNA - 24-08-12
When it gets hot and humid, I just wear ordinary jeans and try and keep the speed down. Just on my short commute to work that is (7 miles mostly open road)
Jeans and T-Shirt if I just wanna pop down town and just take my time. Having to wear a helmet at times is a pain, but I suppose you got to cos it's the darn law.
When I was cycling I used to hit over 50mph at times going down hill, wearing lycra shorts and a T-shirt, with a wee bit o polystyrene on ma heid, used to overtake the cars.
Guys in that video are getting right down to peg scraping, no room for error. If you wanna use knee sliders, try a race track. Also they don't seem to backing off to take into account of cars coming the other way, and the barrier on the right which does have the potential to tear a limb off. Second guy too close too quick to react. The guy at the back drops for no good reason, other than he's shit his pants at all the carnage suddenly in front of him. Of course it's also easy to sit back and criticize. I sure don't claim to be an angle or riding god!
Perhaps more a good example of how wearing fancy gear gives you a false sense of security? I'll bet that hurt.
Hope they were all OK.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - fireblake - 28-08-12
I can't imagine not wearing a helmet. I used an openface one day and got a wasp down the side eventually stinging my ear and another one splat me between the eyes. the bike was dropped as i got off double quick trying to take lid off before the sting. My ear then swelled up and i couldn't put(or wanted to) my lid back on. Full face all the time now?
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Phil TK - 28-08-12
(28-08-12, 10:14 AM)fireblake link Wrote: I can't imagine not wearing a helmet. I used an openface one day and got a wasp down the side eventually stinging my ear and another one splat me between the eyes. the bike was dropped as i got off double quick trying to take lid off before the sting. My ear then swelled up and i couldn't put(or wanted to) my lid back on. Full face all the time now?
Sorry, but I laughed out loud at this...
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - fireblake - 28-08-12
That's ok Phil, i still chuckle when thinking about it, i'm a big jessy when it comes to Bee stings and my mate Pee'd in his leathers laughing at my predicament.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Lawrence - 28-08-12
(24-08-12, 05:25 PM)Rusty link Wrote: When Ride magazine did a product test on bike jeans Draggin came out top with a full 5 seconds of abrasion resistance.Nicked from another forum:
Quote:From RiDE mag, November 2011. Purely abrasion resistance tests performed by SATRA, with no armour inserts fitted. They don't specify a simulated road speed, just the relative times to wear through the trousers. Average times are shown, the article has details for knee / thigh / arse times:Surprised at how bad the textiles came out :eek
Hein Gericke Reno leather jeans: 4.74 seconds
Draggin' Biker kevlar jeans: 3.07 seconds
Hornee kevlar jeans: 1.39 seconds
Rev'it Sand textile trousers: 0.71 seconds
Levi stonewash 501s: 0.56 seconds
Tesco Cherokee jeans: 0.16 seconds
So even a budget pair of fairly fashiony leather trousers (£100) offers better protection than premium kevlar jeans (£150), or the fancy Rev'it pants (£190). Those Rev'it BMW-bait "Adventure" trousers are shockingly poor for the price, although the adverts for them don't make much mention of what they're made of - I'd have preferred to see some more testing of budget cordura trousers.
And no surprises, denim-only jeans are the chocolate teapot of protection. Yes, a £40 pair of Levis does offer better protection than Tesco budget tat, but either way you'll be surfing on your skin within a few yards when you come off. Enjoy having the gravel scraped out of your arse with a wire brush and Dettol at A&E. [img alt=Thumbs Up]http://cdn.bikechatforums.com/images/smiles/thumb_up.gif[/img][img alt=Hurt]http://cdn.bikechatforums.com/images/smiles/dead.gif[/img][img alt=Thumbs Up]http://cdn.bikechatforums.com/images/smiles/thumb_up.gif[/img]
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Rusty - 28-08-12
Interesting. I don't know what month the mag I had was, in fact I've only just binned it, but there were no leather jeans on test just textile.
Hein Gericke (despite their current uk difficulties) have from my experience always produced a quality bit of kit though, as do Triumph. My riding gear is a combination of bits from Hein Gericke, Triumph, Shoei, Alt-Berg and draggin jeans. I note what you say about cheap leather being more protective than expensive expensive textile, but if wearing leather at all the benefits of cooler temps are lost so you might as well just wear decent leather in the first place?
Thinking out loud - I wonder how long you actually bounce down the road from say a 40mph get off? i.e. what degree of exposure does each body part get to abrasion? In those circumstances 5 seconds is a long time so I'd guess you would have come to a halt within that time. What they don't tell you is that textile material often rides up thus exposing flesh anyway, whereas leather fits closely and stays put.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Lawrence - 30-08-12
Came off today after some dozy woman decided to drive straight into the side of me (she was coming the other way, turning off to her right) and my textile trousers have holes in them after going down at around 20mph
Hate to think what would've happened if I'd been going faster. Maybe time to invest in some leathers.
Re: A salutary warning for the hot weather... - Andy FZS - 30-08-12
Oh dear :eek I hope you are ok and not too much damage done. I wear textiles and keep looking at leathers but don't want to get robbed but equally don't want to waste money on rubbish. It's a bit of a dilemma :\
Andy