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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - Grahamm - 19-11-18
I just did a search for "brexit what will happen under WTO rules", here's the first seven results:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45112872
https://theconversation.com/no-deal-seven-reasons-why-a-wto-only-brexit-would-be-bad-for-britain-102009
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-leave-no-deal-what-happens-eu-talks-david-davis-a8460416.html
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/no-deal-the-wto-option/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/17/the-guardian-view-on-brexit-and-trade-the-wto-is-not-a-safety-net
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-deal/no-deal-brexit-what-it-might-mean-for-britain-idUSKBN1KS1E2
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2017/01/09/why-the-wto-option-for-brexit-will-prove-tricky
Can't say I see many positive views there.
Still, I'm sure Jacob Rees-Mogg is right that in 50 years everything will be great...
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 19-11-18
(19-11-18, 12:40 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: I'm sure I own the copyright © to some of that text
OK, so you could always try suing me............ in the European Courts :lol
Hmmm maybe not. I'd had a few too many light ales down at The Hand and Racket that night :o
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 19-11-18
Well stone me. And you a blood doner too :rolleyes
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - steve 10562cc - 19-11-18
We should treat VNA and mtread with the contempt they deserve and should totally ignore their pathetic ramblings.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 19-11-18
Ha. Sounds like someone who has lost the argument to me
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 19-11-18
(19-11-18, 04:37 PM)steve 10562cc link Wrote: We should treat VNA and mtread with the contempt they deserve and should totally ignore their pathetic ramblings.
That's a bit harsh isn't it? :rolleyes .
You devised the thread so that folk who disliked it being in the What Gets My Goat one didn't have to suffer the distress of reading any of the content.
I'm glad you did. It's currently my favourite thread on here :thumbup
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 19-11-18
(19-11-18, 04:37 PM)steve 10562cc link Wrote: We should treat VNA and mtread with the contempt they deserve and should totally ignore their pathetic ramblings.The moment VNA described everyone who voted UKIP as a closet racist tells you everything you need to know about the man.
I was going to say he has no understanding of what a racist actually is but that would be untrue..... He only has to look in the mirror and go back and study some of his previous rants on this thread and others to know what a real racist sounds and looks like.
He hates the English and it shows.
This is how I see things.....
I don't pretend to understand the complexities of the whole situation, I would bet good money to say that nobody does.
However, I would liken it to being in a toxic relationship where your identity and personal wellbeing is being eroded away. As well as being a financial drain, you find you are having to do things you don't want to or agree with because your toxic partner and their associates are ganging up on you and think they know best.
You know you need to break free but the thought of the uncertainty is keeping you from making the break.
You think about all the financial implications of leaving and know for a time you may well be worse off.
BUT......you have to think about the long term plan and getting your personal wellbeing and independence back.
If there's something that they don't like they protest with no regard to how it effects you ( operation stack)
You throw a party and they invite all their freeloading friends who want to eat your food and drink your beer.
Some of them even want to steal from you and tap into your generosity.
Most of them contribute and they are welcome but.......
A small minority want to fucking stab you and set fire to your house and you are powerless because your toxic partner is dictating what you have to put up with.
Fuck, some of them even want to rape and drug my underage daughter !
Bottom line is, I don't have to be a fucking expert to see what is happening to our once great country, I just need to have the courage make the break and take my happiness back.
If that's makes me a racist VNA, them I'm happy to accept your meaningless label.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 19-11-18
Quote: I don't pretend to understand the complexities of the whole situation, I would bet good money to say that nobody does.
Hopefully somebody does, otherwise we are in real real trouble :eek
On your other point, obviously true, but reminds me of a phrase I've seen quoted - '' Not all Brexiteers are racist, but all racists are Brexiteers ''
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 19-11-18
Do you ? Honestly ?
And seriously mtread, as soon as you spout the racist card you lose credibility.
It's not racist to want control of your destiny.
I've experienced racism first hand....In Scotland, Wales, Ireland and on the continent. All against the English.
As a nation we've always welcomed other nationalities and I'm certainly not a racist.
Of course they exist, everywhere. Some are even disguised as liberals and left wingers.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 19-11-18
I agree with what you say. But you haven't understood what I said. Read it again.
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 19-11-18
(19-11-18, 06:19 PM)mtread link Wrote: I agree with what you say. But you haven't understood what I said. Read it again.I don't need to read it again to disagree with it.
The claim that all racists are brexiteers couldn't be further from the truth..... Just ask VNA :lol
(That was tongue in cheek btw)
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 19-11-18
And seriously dazza, as soon as you spout the racist card you lose Credibility :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - dazza - 19-11-18
:lol Knew that was coming :b
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - VNA - 19-11-18
Quote:The purely technical unbiased view is that we leave without a 'transitional period'. We immediately go onto what is called '3rd Country' terms and trade with the EU as an outside country. Because we haven't joined EFTA or the EEA we would be subject to Customs controls for freight and passengers at all border points. Under EU rules we haven't agreed terms with any other countries, so by 29 March we will have no trade agreements at all, with anybody. I doubt there has been much if any preparation for this.OK.
That's just the Customs side. Similar issues with fishing, agricultural policy, medicines, air traffic, residency rights etc etc etc.
What the consequences of all that is, short term and long term, I'll let you think about.
Has anybody here read the current draft withdrawal agreement? I have, otherwise I'd be relying on other people's biased opinions, or what's written on the side of a bus.
So, say the UK crashes out of the UK on the 29[sup]th[/sup] of march 2019. And say I have a small to medium manufacturing company (I don’t) making say fuel pumps for the auto industry. I’ve got a number of contracts and one very nice one with a French car maker. So twice a week I send a big truck full of fuel pumps to France. I have an ongoing order, x number of pumps per week, top quality and must be delivered on time. So it’s pretty simple, I send the pumps as asked, and they transfer the funds once a month to the company accounts. We’re in the single market so it’s no different, apart from the exchange rate, than selling in the UK. So easy.
My company has had informal reassurance through the industry that No Deal will not happen. We’ve been told May has given private assurances to the big industry bosses. Nothing to worry about really. Competition is stiff and margins are tight, but all is OK.
Shock horror we crash out of the EU.
I send truck as usual on the 30[sup]th[/sup] of March. I’ve done exactly as I’ve been doing for years.
So what will happen?
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 19-11-18
(19-11-18, 07:07 PM)VNA link Wrote: OK.
So, say the UK crashes out of the UK on the 29[sup]th[/sup] of march 2019. And say I have a small to medium manufacturing company (I don’t) making say fuel pumps for the auto industry. I’ve got a number of contracts and one very nice one with a French car maker. So twice a week I send a big truck full of fuel pumps to France. I have an ongoing order, x number of pumps per week, top quality and must be delivered on time. So it’s pretty simple, I send the pumps as asked, and they transfer the funds once a month to the company accounts. We’re in the single market so it’s no different, apart from the exchange rate, than selling in the UK. So easy.
My company has had informal reassurance through the industry that No Deal will not happen. We’ve been told May has given private assurances to the big industry bosses. Nothing to worry about really. Competition is stiff and margins are tight, but all is OK.
Shock horror we crash out of the EU.
I send truck as usual on the 30[sup]th[/sup] of March. I’ve done exactly as I’ve been doing for years.
So what will happen?
Ha I've spotted the fatal flaw in your exemplar
.You state that said fuel pumps are top quality.........what are they doing going into French cars then? :lol . It was all very credible up to that point :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - unfazed - 19-11-18
This thread is better than watching the news about Brexit :lol :lol :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 19-11-18
Agree. Well, better than watching the BBC 'news' about it :lol
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 20-11-18
OK here's a more straightforward example
Under Article 13 of the draft transition agreement between UK and EU:
''Union citizens and United Kingdom nationals shall have the right to reside in the host State
under the limitations and conditions''
As I said I've read it
So under a No Deal scenario, that will not apply and from the 30th March when we leave the EU with no deal, all UK citizens living in EU countries lose their right to residency, and can be sent home.
Everybody happy with that? Or didn't you realise?
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - mtread - 20-11-18
And just to stimulate discussion, here's today's picture
Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread - YamFazFan - 20-11-18
(20-11-18, 12:55 AM)mtread link Wrote: OK here's a more straightforward example
Under Article 13 of the draft transition agreement between UK and EU:
'[size=1em]'Union citizens and United Kingdom nationals shall have the right to reside in the host State [/size]
[size=1em]under the limitations and conditions''[/size]
[size=1em]As I said I've read it [/size]
So under a No Deal scenario, that will not apply and from the 30th March when we leave the EU with no deal, all UK citizens living in EU countries lose their right to residency, and can be sent home.
Everybody happy with that? Or didn't you realise?
Doesn't bother me. I've got no intention of living anywhere else.
I'd imagine that they'd come up with some sort of similar residency deal to the one in the draft agreement after we leave with no deal.