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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - vinnyb - 19-02-21
Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - Slaninar - 20-02-21
(19-02-21, 11:13 PM)vinnyb link Wrote: Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.
I agree it's not simple.
Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.
For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.
Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - darrsi - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 07:49 AM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=vinnyb link=topic=26604.msg323288#msg323288 date=1613772782]
Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.
I agree it's not simple.
Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.
For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.
Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).
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Recreational drugs are a big factor in the way people behave these days, it's a massive market and the supply is most definitely there for the demand.
And due to the recent snowflake generation getting their way there is a vastly different attitude towards discipline with younger people nowadays which has basically given them free reign to run riot, and why we have so much trouble on our streets.
When i was a kid we all had penknives for example, but i don't recall anyone ever using one as a weapon. There was a kid stabbed to death near me 2 days ago, with a CCTV video showing exactly what happened, and the attackers can only be described as savages.
But when people are caught doing wrong you then get the snowflake defence liars doing their best to make them look good in court and they get their result far too often, meaning the criminal tends to get preferential treatment over the victims.
The horrible reality about all of this is that there isn't really a fix either. Drugs are already illegal, and if you look at places like USA where the threat of really long jail time, unlike our paltry sentencing, still doesn't seem to affect the crime statistics then it all seems rather scary when you think how bad the future is going to be.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - Slaninar - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 08:57 AM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Slaninar link=topic=26604.msg323290#msg323290 date=1613803790]
[quote author=vinnyb link=topic=26604.msg323288#msg323288 date=1613772782]
Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.
I agree it's not simple.
Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.
For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.
Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).
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Recreational drugs are a big factor in the way people behave these days, it's a massive market and the supply is most definitely there for the demand.
And due to the recent snowflake generation getting their way there is a vastly different attitude towards discipline with younger people nowadays which has basically given them free reign to run riot, and why we have so much trouble on our streets.
When i was a kid we all had penknives for example, but i don't recall anyone ever using one as a weapon. There was a kid stabbed to death near me 2 days ago, with a CCTV video showing exactly what happened, and the attackers can only be described as savages.
But when people are caught doing wrong you then get the snowflake defence liars doing their best to make them look good in court and they get their result far too often, meaning the criminal tends to get preferential treatment over the victims.
The horrible reality about all of this is that there isn't really a fix either. Drugs are already illegal, and if you look at places like USA where the threat of really long jail time, unlike our paltry sentencing, still doesn't seem to affect the crime statistics then it all seems rather scary when you think how bad the future is going to be.
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Fair points. The snowflake ones really struck a chord. A practical example:
Cyclist was passing close to a parked car. Driver opened the door, pushing the cyclist towards the middle of the lane - and making them fall off.
The cyclist then got run over by a bus that was coming up from behind - the bus driver had no time to react (and hadn't created enough room in case something like that happens).
My reaction:
"Stay out of the door zone, people, it can be dangerous. We can't really rely on all the drivers being careful."
Most people's reaction to that:
"You victim blaming biker hater!"
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - agricola - 20-02-21
I suppose theres an argument that we have stopped evolving naturally as a species, by our interventions in medical science. Whos to say that we wouldnt have evolved natural defences against diseases in time. I certainly think that we are losing our self reliance.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - darrsi - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 10:29 AM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=26604.msg323293#msg323293 date=1613807874]
[quote author=Slaninar link=topic=26604.msg323290#msg323290 date=1613803790]
[quote author=vinnyb link=topic=26604.msg323288#msg323288 date=1613772782]
Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.
I agree it's not simple.
Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.
For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.
Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).
[/quote]
Recreational drugs are a big factor in the way people behave these days, it's a massive market and the supply is most definitely there for the demand.
And due to the recent snowflake generation getting their way there is a vastly different attitude towards discipline with younger people nowadays which has basically given them free reign to run riot, and why we have so much trouble on our streets.
When i was a kid we all had penknives for example, but i don't recall anyone ever using one as a weapon. There was a kid stabbed to death near me 2 days ago, with a CCTV video showing exactly what happened, and the attackers can only be described as savages.
But when people are caught doing wrong you then get the snowflake defence liars doing their best to make them look good in court and they get their result far too often, meaning the criminal tends to get preferential treatment over the victims.
The horrible reality about all of this is that there isn't really a fix either. Drugs are already illegal, and if you look at places like USA where the threat of really long jail time, unlike our paltry sentencing, still doesn't seem to affect the crime statistics then it all seems rather scary when you think how bad the future is going to be.
[/quote]
Fair points. The snowflake ones really struck a chord. A practical example:
Cyclist was passing close to a parked car. Driver opened the door, pushing the cyclist towards the middle of the lane - and making them fall off.
The cyclist then got run over by a bus that was coming up from behind - the bus driver had no time to react (and hadn't created enough room in case something like that happens).
My reaction:
"Stay out of the door zone, people, it can be dangerous. We can't really rely on all the drivers being careful."
Most people's reaction to that:
"You victim blaming biker hater!"
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Bus drivers never seem to have time to react to the red light system we have going on our streets either. Even though there's a green then an amber light beforehand.
Sounds like a Deathrace 2000 moment to me. :lol
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - fazersharp - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 07:49 AM)Slaninar link Wrote: and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations.And that is exactly the way the world governments want it. That way you can be controlled and will obey and not ask questions and will believe everything we are told.Anyone who questions anything other than the prescribed narrative is labelled a conspiracy nut job and non plat-formed.
Sentients don't like to speak out -- because they are cleaver and know their funding will disappear if they don't follow the narrative they are supposed to.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - mtread - 20-02-21
Quote: No other species on earth lives after it is no longer productive - but we do. And we all like to live as long as possible. Is that good, healthy and natural?Most whale species do, as do elephants.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - darrsi - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 02:45 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Slaninar link=topic=26604.msg323290#msg323290 date=1613803790]And that is exactly the way the world governments want it. That way you can be controlled and will obey and not ask questions and will believe everything we are told.Anyone who questions anything other than the prescribed narrative is labelled a conspiracy nut job and non plat-formed.
and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations.
Sentients don't like to speak out -- because they are cleaver and know their funding will disappear if they don't follow the narrative they are supposed to.
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But some people simply are conspiracy theory nut jobs. Or just like to do the opposite of the norm, generally to be a deliberate pain in the arse and seek attention.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - fazersharp - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 04:17 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323306#msg323306 date=1613828736]And that is exactly the way the world governments want it. That way you can be controlled and will obey and not ask questions and will believe everything we are told.Anyone who questions anything other than the prescribed narrative is labelled a conspiracy nut job and non plat-formed.
[quote author=Slaninar link=topic=26604.msg323290#msg323290 date=1613803790]
and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations.
Sentients don't like to speak out -- because they are cleaver and know their funding will disappear if they don't follow the narrative they are supposed to.
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But some people simply are conspiracy theory nut jobs. Or just like to do the opposite of the norm, generally to be a deliberate pain in the arse and seek attention.
[/quote]Yes I think the whole conspiracy "thing" has become an industry. Books/ public talks at £40 a ticket its became entertainment.
I don't agree with the likes of facebook / twitter / the "MSM" being the arbiters of deciding who I am allowed to listen too. Most people (I hope ) are intelligent enough to decide for themselves if a person is a nut job.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - Slaninar - 20-02-21
(20-02-21, 03:51 PM)mtread link Wrote:Quote: No other species on earth lives after it is no longer productive - but we do. And we all like to live as long as possible. Is that good, healthy and natural?Most whale species do, as do elephants.
Don't know about the whales, but I see elephants with glasses and in wheel-chairs all the time...
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - mtread - 21-02-21
Quote: Don't know about the whales, but I see elephants with glasses and in wheel-chairs all the time...You need to stop taking the hallucinogenics
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - Grahamm - 21-02-21
(20-02-21, 11:03 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: Don't know about the whales, but I see elephants with glasses and in wheel-chairs all the time...
I don't know what you've been smoking, but can I get some of it...?! :eek
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - fazersharp - 02-03-21
I have got a feeling they are going to abandon 2 jabs. The "Science" and data will, of course be amended to accomadate.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - darrsi - 02-03-21
(02-03-21, 12:36 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: I have got a feeling they are going to abandon 2 jabs. The "Science" and data will, of course be amended to accomadate.
You're not the first person i've heard suggest that.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - Grahamm - 02-03-21
BoJo ordered 340 million vaccines (about three times as many as we'd need!)
If he starts flogging them off before everyone gets a second jab, he's going to have a lot of *very* pissed off people asking questions.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - fazersharp - 02-03-21
We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.
NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !!
France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.
Or we could give them to poorer countries.
Or keep the order but change the formula because we are going to need 4 different jab a year to keep up with mutations.
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - BBROWN1664 - 02-03-21
(02-03-21, 03:19 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.
NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !!
France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.
Or we could give them to poorer countries.
Or keep the order but change the formula because we are going to need 4 different jab a year to keep up with mutations.
France has now said the AZ one is OK for under 75's
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - mtread - 02-03-21
Quote: We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.
You seem to be straying into politics here tsk tsk :fish
Anyway, just to correct you, France and Germany (and others) didn't say 'it didn't work'. They said the data was incomplete. Now perhaps the Scottish data is complete. As for Britain, Johnson can't even keep data on how many children he has, let alone count effective vaccine doses.
:oops I seem to have strayed into politics too.
mash
Re: The Covid thread incl a poll - fazersharp - 02-03-21
(02-03-21, 04:00 PM)mtread link Wrote:I remind you of whos thread it is and my first post said thisQuote: We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.
You seem to be straying into politics here tsk tsk :fish
Anyway, just to correct you, France and Germany (and others) didn't say 'it didn't work'. They said the data was incomplete. Now perhaps the Scottish data is complete. As for Britain, Johnson can't even keep data on how many children he has, let alone count effective vaccine doses.
:oops I seem to have strayed into politics too.
MY POLL - MY RULES. NO NAME CALLING, STAY POLITE AND DON'T GIVE THE MODS AN EXCUSE TO CANCEL
So I am happy for it to stray into politics - after all Germany and France started it cause they are unhappy its a British success and they get their noses rubbed in it by just having the name Oxford :lol
Don't give a Sh1t how many kids Johnson has - totally irrelevant to the conversation. Correct France said "data was incomplete" but that was the same data we used to jab the over 80s first.
Again none of this France and Gremany Ox AZ refusal or 100s of thousands of unused Ox az going to waste in empty vaccine hubs because the likes of Merkel have said they wont have it in her arm. None of this is on the BBC or Sky news.