+- Fazer Owners Club - Unofficial (https://foc-u.co.uk/mybb)
+-- Forum: General (https://foc-u.co.uk/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=65)
+--- Forum: General (https://foc-u.co.uk/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=69)
+--- Thread: EU! (/showthread.php?tid=75859)
Re: EU! - darrsi - 02-07-16
(30-06-16, 08:03 PM)taylor link Wrote: saying this as a proud welsh man, at the end of the day we are all BRITISH, when push comes to shove I would stand side by side with my countrymen, shoulder to shoulder. 5uck the rest.
Sorry, not having that whatsoever!!!
That's like saying we're all from the world!
I was born in London, so i'm not Welsh, Northern Irish or Scottish, you can only be born in one place, it's just a simple fact.
Also, have a read of a daily newspaper, according to them every fecker is British, it seems to be the trend these days.
Add to that, how many foreign "British" people would step forward to serve for Britain if it was deemed necessary in a war situation?
Re: EU! - johnakay - 02-07-16
all this shit about leavers causing mayhem to none british..I wouldn't be surprise if the remainers are involve in all of this.
its seems to me that those who voted to remain wanted to be controlled by foreigners,because that is what the EU is all about....
I voted to leave and will do so again if ask.
I voted for several reason's the main one is to take control back from unelected governing bodies of the EU...
Re: EU! - lew600fazer - 02-07-16
(02-07-16, 02:48 AM)joebloggs link Wrote: [quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=20295.msg235861#msg235861 date=1467415194]
[quote author=joebloggs link=topic=20295.msg235819#msg235819 date=1467388247]
[quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=20295.msg235815#msg235815 date=1467385261]
I know the comments about the french are tongue in cheek, but bear this in mind. If it had not been for the French and the rear guard action they fought at Dunkirk we Brits would all be speaking German by now. Kick the Belgium's out now they are twats.
Don't give them credit for changing the outcome of the war
Even if we lost all the troupes in Dunkirk it wouldn't have changed much. The English channel and the RAF brought us time to work out how to defeat nazi Germany
If you want to praise any French from WW2 give it to the resistance, now they were brave
[/quote]
You really do need to read your history mate, the English Channel and the RAF bought us time to work out how to defeat Nazi Germany. Well you may have a point all we needed to do during that time was to convince the Americans to declare war on Germany, I think they may just have helped us out a wee bit. I would never decry what the RAF did during the Battle of Britain. I think the Polish lads did their bit as well.
Nice to see how the Polish people who now live and work in the UK today are being treated by some of the scum who no doubt voted for the leave campaign in the Referendum.
[color=rgb(37, 37, 37)]The 147 Polish pilots claimed 201 aircraft shot down. 303 Squadron claimed the highest number of kills (126) of all Allied squadrons engaged in the Battle of Britain.[/color][color=rgb(11, 0, 128)][29][/color][color=rgb(11, 0, 128)]Witold Urbanowicz[/color][color=rgb(37, 37, 37)] of 303 Squadron was the top Polish scorer with 15 claims. [/color][color=rgb(11, 0, 128)]Sgt Tony Głowacki[/color][color=rgb(37, 37, 37)] was one of two Allied pilots in the Battle to shoot down five German aircraft in one day, on 24 August (the other being New Zealander [/color][color=rgb(11, 0, 128)]Brian Carbury[/color][color=rgb(37, 37, 37)]). One Polish veteran, [/color][color=rgb(11, 0, 128)]Stanislaw Skalski[/color][color=rgb(37, 37, 37)], became the top-scoring Polish fighter ace of the Second World War.[/color]
[/quote]
All I said was that the saving of our forces at Dunkirk would not have made much, if any difference to the outcome of the war. As for who ultimately lead to the defeat of Nazi Germany, I think we had Russia to thank for that. Forget all your pilots who shot down a few axis aircraft, fighting in Russia destroyed the cream of the German armies. By the time we (inc the USA) landed on D Day there were mainly conscripts, old men and boys opposing our forces.
Very few people seem to credit Russia for the part it played in the second world war, but with losses of an estimated twenty eight million I think they deserve some recognition.
[/quote]
As I said just read a bit of history, Russia and Germany divided Poland between them. Russia and Germany had signed a non agression pact in 1939 and it remained in force until 22 June 1941, when the Germans attacked Russia.That non agression pact let Russia invade , Finland , Latvia, Estonia, Belarus and Rumainia etc!! The Russians when they did finally decide to throw their hand in with the Allies were only able to hang on in there because of the help they got from the USA and the UK due to the Atlantic convoys. Yes they suffered heavy causulties, but Stalin was still playing a double game, he continued to carry out Ethnic cleansing of his own people.
Re: EU! - fazersharp - 04-07-16
So it all seems to of died down now then, stock markets are back up and beyond the leavel of before the brexit.
How come it get reported x amount of billions WIPED OFF stock market and yet nothing about billions added now it has rebounded.
Nigel has quit (again) after saying "job done" I look forward to seeing him in the jungle/big brother/strictly/ on one knee in front of the queen getting a knighthood.
Re: EU! - Val - 05-07-16
Just found this, it's time to think and contemplate
![[Image: 2qcf4ax.jpg]](http://i64.tinypic.com/2qcf4ax.jpg)
Re: EU! - nick crisp - 05-07-16
(05-07-16, 02:27 PM)Val link Wrote: Just found this, it's time to think and contemplate
What's the point? Who are you trying to persuade of what exactly, and why?
Re: EU! - Exupnut - 05-07-16
+1
Re: EU! - johnakay - 05-07-16
he maybe making a point on where the immigrants are heading or are here.
it seems we've got the most.
I have a feeling that we may never leave the EU.
if comes down to MP's voting.
Re: EU! - nick crisp - 05-07-16
(05-07-16, 06:00 PM)johnakay link Wrote: he maybe making a point on where the immigrants are heading or are here.
it seems we've got the most.
Maybe? I was more thinking what's his point? He seems to be attacking the leave camp with all these smart-arsed gifs and cryptic comments, but giving no explanations for his point of view, just pure vitriol as far as I can see. It's like he thinks the whole Brexit thing was purely aimed at upsetting him alone. Why not just come out and state his meaning? How does any of what he's been posting offer anything constructive to the debate? "It's time to think and contemplate" :rolleyes When you've quite finished looking down your nose at everyone Val...Tiresome.
Re: EU! - VNA - 05-07-16
Irrespective of whether the figures in that image are correct or not…..
All the BREXIT supporters seem to agree that the UK must have access to the EU single market. They know as we know that that means free movement and it’s non-negotiable. Further you have to pay to access the EU single market. We don’t know what that price is, but what we do now know is that we need access and that we will not get a discounted rate as we currently do under full membership.
Meanwhile the pound is today at a 31year low against the dollar, it has also weakened against the Euro.
That means price rises in the shops for everyday essentials, which in turns means inflation. So while Mark carney says he’s considering cutting interest rates, well if he does it’s unlikely to be for long as he will need to raise them in the long term to combat inflation.
This all means less money in your pocket, not to mention mortgage costs will rise steeply, so even less money in your pocket, means less spending power, means further downward pressure on our economy.
It’s hard to see a way out of this. But at the end of the day any negotiated settlement on leaving the EU will have to be voted on by parliament. And how can our elected members vote for continued access to the single market at a similar cost to full membership with no change on free movement, not to mentioned a down rated credit rating (increased borrowing costs), a weak pound and a nervous economy.
I suggest at some point there will have to be a second referendum. Once we know what the full cost of ‘leaving’ is then people can make an informed decision.
Meanwhile Boris and Nigel are off.
Re: EU! - unfazed - 05-07-16
I don't know what your all whinging about, with a population of 64 million in the UK and 4.9 million emmigrants, that's about 0.4% of which less than 0.1% are Irish people.
FFS we have a population of 4.6million and 0.9 million emmigrants which close to 20% of our population, English people make up 5% of them.
:wall
Re: EU! - nick crisp - 05-07-16
(05-07-16, 06:40 PM)unfazed link Wrote: I don't know what your all whinging about, with a population of 64 million in the UK and 4.9 million emmigrants, that's about 0.4% of which less than 0.1% are Irish people.
FFS we have a population of 4.6million and 0.9 million emmigrants which close to 20% of our population, English people make up 5% of them.
:wall
Not everyone is whingeing about just immigration
At a time when much of the UK has been talking about devolution of Westminster's powers to the regions, the EU is going in the opposite direction, and in a most undemocratic way. Not that the Tories seem to really mean it either - Northern Powerhouse? Yeah, right :rolleyes Why don't the EU, as a body, just come right out and say it: "We want a single European state, run from Brussels (or wherever), with no individual countries exercising their own destiny" ?
Re: EU! - celticdog - 05-07-16
The figures in Val's chart represent the 4.9 million Brits living abroad in Europe. Hmm, people (on both camps) need to get over this and move on. The truth is we are coming out of the EU and no one knows the long term consequences be they good or bad. We will still buy and sell with Europe, we make stuff they want and vice versa, the details will need to be ironed out, that's all. Immigrants will still want to come to the UK as we are a relatively wealthy developed country, being in or out makes no difference. We still need immigrants/seasonal workers to pick fruit and plug any skills gaps required by the free economy. The UK economy will eventually sort itself out. It's a global issue, in the grand scheme of things the EU is a medium sized fish at best. I don't think we should ever do any more referendums, If we voted to bring back hanging tomorrow we'd be stringing people up outside town halls and municipal buildings by the weekend! Don't believe the scaremongering, In the words of Lance corporal Jack Jones "don't panic, don't panic!" . . . Just my two pence worth.
Re: EU! - nick crisp - 05-07-16
(05-07-16, 06:51 PM)celticdog link Wrote: [size=1em]The figures in Val's chart represent the 4.9 million Brits living abroad in Europe.[/size][size=1em]Hmm. People (on both camps) need to get over this and move on. The truth is we are coming out of the EU and no one knows the long term consequences be they good or bad. [/size]We will still buy and sell with Europe, we make stuff they want and vice versa, the details will need to be ironed out, that's all. Immigrants will still want to come to the UK as we are a relatively wealthy developed country, being in or out makes no difference. We still need immigrants/seasonal workers to pick fruit and plug any skills gaps required by the free economy. [size=1em]The UK economy will eventually sort itself out. It's a global issue, in the grand scheme of things the EU is a medium sized fish at best. I don't think we should ever do any more referendums, If we voted to bring back hanging tomorrow we'd be stringing people up outside town halls and municipal buildings by the weekend! [/size][size=1em]Don't believe the scaremongering, [/size]In the words of Lance corporal Jack Jones "don't panic, don't panic!" . . . Just my two pence worth.
Hear, hear!
Re: EU! - Val - 05-07-16
(05-07-16, 06:14 PM)Hedgetrimmer link Wrote: Maybe? I was more thinking what's his point? He seems to be attacking the leave camp with all these smart-arsed gifs and cryptic comments, but giving no explanations for his point of view, just pure vitriol as far as I can see. It's like he thinks the whole Brexit thing was purely aimed at upsetting him alone. Why not just come out and state his meaning? How does any of what he's been posting offer anything constructive to the debate? "It's time to think and contemplate" :rolleyes When you've quite finished looking down your nose at everyone Val...Tiresome.
Sorry if I have upset somebody with posting few FUN facts
Short of writing a book about it my point of view is Brexit is the biggest foccup of all times.
Sorry that I can't help here, but honestly after the monumental foccup I really do not see how I can help. Been constructive will not undo it.
Its like lets crash in this wall and than complaining that I am not helping, I would if I could but I can't :'(
Re: EU! - nick crisp - 05-07-16
(05-07-16, 08:29 PM)Val link Wrote: Sorry that I can't help here, but honestly after the monumental foccup I really do not see how I can help. Been constructive will not undo it.
Its like lets crash in this wall and than complaining that I am not helping, I would if I could but I can't :'(
The shut the foc up about it. Neither you nor I can do anything about it, we are where we are, time to just make the best of things. The more people who just sit on their arses whingeing about it instead of trying to make it work (assuming it does even happen, but I'm not going into that particular nest of vipers here), the worse it will be.
Re: EU! - taylor - 05-07-16
buy british surely that will help.
Re: EU! - Millietant - 06-07-16
(05-07-16, 06:51 PM)celticdog link Wrote:
The figures in Val's chart represent the 4.9 million Brits living abroad in Europe. Hmm, people (on both camps) need to get over this and move on. The truth is we are coming out of the EU and no one knows the long term consequences be they good or bad. We will still buy and sell with Europe, we make stuff they want and vice versa, the details will need to be ironed out, that's all. Immigrants will still want to come to the UK as we are a relatively wealthy developed country, being in or out makes no difference. We still need immigrants/seasonal workers to pick fruit and plug any skills gaps required by the free economy. The UK economy will eventually sort itself out. It's a global issue, in the grand scheme of things the EU is a medium sized fish at best. I don't think we should ever do any more referendums, If we voted to bring back hanging tomorrow we'd be stringing people up outside town halls and municipal buildings by the weekend! Don't believe the scaremongering, In the words of Lance corporal Jack Jones "don't panic, don't panic!" . . . Just my two pence worth.
I don't read that, I read British living ABROAD - not just in Europe.
What about the USA, Australia, Canada, China, India etc, etc, etc.
The pounds value has gone down because speculators need some form of "turmoil" to stimulate trade in currencies - without it (and with stability), they go bust.
Any news or change will be used by these parasites as an excuse to cause currency fluctuations (and economic instability), which are what they need to make money. Despite a vote for something that may, or may not, happen, the roller coaster has been started, wonder why ?
Lie to create a crisis, they make money. Lie to end a crisis, they make money - Never let the facts affect that.
Re: EU! - celticdog - 06-07-16
(06-07-16, 07:17 AM)Millietant link Wrote: I don't read that, I read British living ABROAD - not just in Europe.
What about the USA, Australia, Canada, China, India etc, etc, etc.
Lie to create a crisis, they make money. Lie to end a crisis, they make money - Never let the facts affect that.
You're right Millietant! :thumbup nothing but Vultures the lot of them.
Re: EU! - Dave48 - 06-07-16
This topic started with a long list of British manufacturers/companies that, since Margaret Thatchers government arrived in 1979, have shipped production/jobs abroad to the point where,apart from foreign owned car manufacturers here in the UK & Rolls Royce aero engines in Derby, I cant think of any other British owned manufacturing companies based mainly here. So when posts on here suggest European single market will still want what we manufacture can anyone tell me what these British products are?
I may be naive but, as someone who grew up here at a time when we were a major exporting economy,(we had to be after WW2 to repay our debts to USA-& the motto then was "Export or Die"), it seems that we are predominantly a "service" economy now with our income coming from banking & foreign investment (invisible earnings) & assembling products manufactured overseas.
About the only thing I am sure about these days is that I distrust almost everything the politicians say.
So how can we as an electorate be expected to make "informed" decisions affecting our childrens future when governed by such an assortment of self-serving & untruthful characters (many with hidden agendas) many of whom have little or no "connection" with the people they are elected to represent?
Surely our present system isnt working and we need to make some big changes starting with the "quality" of our elected MPs.
I cant remember a time when we have had to witness such a shambles ranging from incompetence to nasty tactics.Makes us seem a laughing stock to the rest of the world.