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Re: The Jock vote - Frosties - 04-07-15
(04-07-15, 02:32 PM)slappy link Wrote: [quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=14658.msg202341#msg202341 date=1436016225]
I agree with Oldgit out along with the Greeks. Have yer vote and begone.
Yes to that, the reason so many scots like me leave Scotland is the insular attitude held by so many north of the border. The attitude that all english mps are tossers and all scottish mps are paragons of virtue is beyond laughable.
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:lol :lol Well said. Oh yeah, OUT
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 04-07-15
Quote:Yes to that, the reason so many scots like me leave Scotland is the insular attitude held by so many north of the border. The attitude that all english mps are tossers and all scottish mps are paragons of virtue is beyond laughable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=85&v=ak4O_b78iMw
Re: The Jock vote - slappy - 04-07-15
That desperate that you have to rely on youtube!
The reason the Romans put Hadrians wall up 2000 years ago is that even they didn't want people like you in their empire.
Please ,declare independence now and when it goes tits up who will you blame then?
Re: The Jock vote - midden - 04-07-15
Best part of that clip came around 3.05min ..........I'd tuck her under my souvenir kilt
Re: The Jock vote - celticdog - 04-07-15
Some of you aren't thinking with your dipstick . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcqVQe-4z0
Re: The Jock vote - lew600fazer - 04-07-15
oh dear not a vote in yet for the Scots :rollin :rollin :rollin
Must be something to do with the weather, at least with Scotland gone we will not need to be bored with the football results from the SPL
Re: The Jock vote - Phil - 05-07-15
(04-07-15, 09:23 AM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3147966/Sturgeon-threatens-new-independence-referendum-SNP-clash-Tories-English-votes-English-laws-plan.html
Ooooo don't you just love the Daily Mail.
Referendum? Not sure we will need one.
It looks like the SNP will do the impossible twice - that is hold a majority in a coalition parliament - come 2016. You have to understand that the Scottish parliament was designed by the English so that the SNP could never hold a majority and that there could never ever be a referendum on Scottish Independence. But it looks like not only will the SNP do the impossible twice but they will in all probability increase their majority. Though of course 10 months is a very long time in politics.
But if the SNP do perform as currently expected, and with 56 SNP seats out of 59 in the English parliament, well I would argue that come the summer of 2016 we won't need a referendum. It's a simple mater of declaring Scotland Independent.
The SNP would have the mandate to do so. Just a thought.
In the referendum, most voters didn't want an independent Scotland.
Before the last election, if I remember correctly, a new referendum wasn't in their manifesto.
Yet some people think that 56 SNP seats now means most people want an independent Scotland. It doesn't.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/nicola-sturgeon-refuses-to-rule-out-a-second-referendum/
But in order to sustain that momentum to polling day, Sturgeon needs to reassure nervous former ‘no’ voters who are considering voting SNP in order to exert the sort of left-wing pressure on Labour that Sturgeon promises. So today on Marr, she insisted that a vote for the SNP was not a vote for independence, that the circumstances would have to change significantly before another referendum came up.
Re: The Jock vote - slappy - 05-07-15
The circumstances have changed significantly though, Sturgeon is a woman :eek and she has changed her mind. :lol
Re: The Jock vote - Val - 05-07-15
(11-09-14, 10:54 AM)locksmith link Wrote: OK, I'm not politically minded and haven't been following the great debate.
But, as I live in England, how does it effect me if Scotland leaves?
Should I give a monkeys either way?
Not really. Anyway the UK will leave Europe by 2025 and the edge of the Solar System by 2050. Common sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RMvSC1sXMQ
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 05-07-15
Fair points Phil,
Quote:In the referendum, most voters didn't want an independent Scotland.
55% voted NO. But 'Better Together' were panicking in the last few weeks of the campaign - the gap was closing fast and it looked as if a YES vote would be delivered. So what did they do - they came up with 'The Vow' - a promise of new and real powers for Scotland, it sounded like 'devo max' or federalism was on offer (the option NO originally refused to have on the ballot paper). But of course two other wee things happened - NO effectively tore up and binned the Edinburgh Agreement that set out the rules for the referendum, and subsequently those who voted in the postal ballot actually took part in a different referendum than those who voted at the polling station.
Further, on the morning of the result, Cameron spoke not of new Scottish powers but English votes for English laws.
Many of those who voted NO did so with a heavy heart, many also believed 'The Vow', many felt conned and insulted when Cameron spoke on that Friday morning.
Quote:Before the last election, if I remember correctly, a new referendum wasn't in their manifesto.
The last UK election I take you mean. Well no. If it was in there, well it can't be delivered can it, not even if the SNP won every single Scottish seat - which they nearly did.
Quote:Yet some people think that 56 SNP seats now means most people want an independent Scotland. It doesn't.
I'm sure some people do, but the Scottish electorate is surprisingly canny, yes many No voters voted for the SNP, and I, a YES voter voted Labour.
I was pleased to see Labour tanked at the election in Scotland, but sorry to loose a first class MP in Katie Clark - I was not impressed with the SNP candidate. Sadly I felt voters were not quite canny enougth in North Ayrshire.
So YES, some people still think the YES campaign was an SNP campaign, and that all YES voters are SNP members.
Clearly things are a wee bit mare complicated than that.
Re: The Jock vote - Oldgit - 08-07-15
the useless 56, all sittin on their fat arses doin nothing but moaning, but claiming max expenses and drawing a salary that would choke a horse--Foc them all. :pc
Re: The Jock vote - slappy - 08-07-15
(08-07-15, 08:34 AM)Oldgit link Wrote: the useless 56, all sittin on their fat arses doin nothing but moaning, but claiming max expenses and drawing a salary that would choke a horse--Foc them all. :pc
Well to be fair the other 594 are exactly the same
Re: The Jock vote - BIG MAC - 28-10-15
There will always be those who are comforted by the yoke..without sufficient wherewithal to understand that as an outpost of Empire their Country exists merely to underwrite irresponsible budget after irresponsible budget from Westminster. Todays news..no more Bobbies on the beat say the Met, Hospital ward closures, Tax credits reforms slapped down, Getting the Chinese to build a nuclear weapon on UK soil (They don't need Trident) then paying the French to run it. Instead of using the money from a never to be deployed weapon to build British Nuclear capability. Shut down the Steelworks..Buy Chinese steel...and all the while the Fat Cats get Fatter and the only growth industry is food banking. Frankly ENGLAND should be voting SNP! Your other options are hell bent on self serving Armageddon or hand wringing liberalism. And what of the SNP record..oooooo they had a surplus from the pittance Westminster decrees they may have back out of the Billions handed over and not realised in Scotland from the EEC ..yes George Osborne..they did provide free education, they did look after the elderly and no they didn't have enough to build hospitals etc.some may say they are far better at managing limited resources than George..who is completely discredited, continues to borrow and sulks behind his equally fatuous mate the Pig Minister where someone in the Lords tell him he's being a dick....
Re: The Jock vote - slappy - 28-10-15
Looks like someone got out of wrong side of bed !
Re: The Jock vote - VNA - 28-10-15
Wow, have to say I completely agree with Big Mac! :eek
The Tories are absolutely screwing us. It's so completely fucked up.