Quote: quite happily but governed by the unelected.

(27-01-18, 04:45 PM)Freck link Wrote: Foc’s Sake, are there no moderators around here?
If you want to have a political debate then can you please either start a new thread on the subject or foc off and go to a politics forum.  :rolleyes

Quote: The sections of The Left that try to oppress free speech just because they don't agree with it

(27-01-18, 05:33 PM)mtread link Wrote:

Quote: quite happily but governed by the unelected.

Funny, I seem to remember voting for a Member of the European Parliament in 2014

(27-01-18, 06:30 PM)mtread link Wrote: On a point of order Frosties, this was the post that started it


YamFazFan

Quote: The sections of The Left that try to oppress free speech just because they don't agree with it

(27-01-18, 02:34 PM)VNA link Wrote:

Quote:Why does VNA want scotland to breakaway from the UK

Let me put it this way, would you like the English government to be decided by the French?

So why would I want England to decide what government Scotland has.

(27-01-18, 07:13 PM)Frosties link Wrote: :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall

Quote:I'm surprise its allowed on here so far. [img alt=:eek]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/img]

(27-01-18, 07:15 PM)johnakay link Wrote: discussions on political matters will always cause riffs between members.
that is why most forums wont accept  political discussions.
I'm surprise its allowed on here so far. :eek

(27-01-18, 03:39 PM)VNA link Wrote:

Quote:VNA you have finally got it! Us British/English don't want  French, German, or any other European  country making our laws or telling  our elected government which ever party that might be what they can and can't do. Just the same as you don't want Scotland being ruled by a British government who's parliament building happens to be in London. 

  Umm no.  What the EU does is, work on and decide common standards and laws.  If you want to have a single market, all the advantages that go with it, then the reality is that you need common standards.  I don't have a problem with that - it's advantageous both economically and in terms of humanity plus good for our environment.



I don’t want to be ruled over by the English aristocracy, ie the Tory party.  I don’t want to be part of a country whose major export is arms and is active in fuelling conflict around the globe.  I don’t want to be part of a country that supports the apartheid state of Israel.  I don’t want to be part of a country that invests billions upon billions of pounds on illegal weapons of mass destruction.  I don’t want to be part of a country that doesn’t give a shit about ordinary people, no longer collects corporation tax and that thinks food banks are a welcome development.


And as for the EU, if the UK successfully leaves, the EU will remain to be our biggest trading partner, we will still need to abide by it’s rules (many of which are being adopted round the globe outside of the EU) but have no say in those rules and standards. 



Of course, the laugh is that if the UK does successfully leave the EU, that may well bring about the end of the UK.


What I want is an Independent Scotland with full EU membership.  Scottish first, EU second and Britain no thanks.


But you want to be a subject in state that encourages other nations to join (Ukraine), then fucks off sharpish when the Russian Bear rattles its sabre, leaving hundreds dead along with its failed plan. And Germany and France arent too shy of selling weapons the world over are they.

(27-01-18, 06:30 PM)mtread link Wrote: On a point of order Frosties, this was the post that started it


YamFazFan

Quote: The sections of The Left that try to oppress free speech just because they don't agree with it

Quote:I warned YamFazFan about waking VNA up from his hibernation! This is what happens when you do , he infests the forum like a virus and once started does not know when to shutup. Just like every pub has a pub bore he is the forum bore.


Please moderators can you make it a ruling that all political / religious debate is in separate threads and titled as such so that the subject is clear instead of them hijacking other threads.


Like most people I use this forum for motorcycle related subjects coupled with a bit a banter, and I have had enough of being preached at by political zealots.

(27-01-18, 09:52 PM)VNA link Wrote:

Quote:I warned YamFazFan about waking VNA up from his hibernation! This is what happens when you do , he infests the forum like a virus and once started does not know when to shutup. Just like every pub has a pub bore he is the forum bore.


Please moderators can you make it a ruling that all political / religious debate is in separate threads and titled as such so that the subject is clear instead of them hijacking other threads.


Like most people I use this forum for motorcycle related subjects coupled with a bit a banter, and I have had enough of being preached at by political zealots.

  Slappy, you won’t find a political thread started by VNA. 



I agree with you it’s a bike forum, but I’m not minded to tolerate populist right wing political propaganda or bull shite, bigoted nonsense or racist crap.  And Christ almighty do we hear the bigots squeal when their views are challenged. 

(28-01-18, 03:43 AM)mtread link Wrote: :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall


'You started it. No I didn't. Yes you did. No I didn't. Yes you did, you invaded Poland'.