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Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 21-01-21
TTSIA really.
When i use the side stand, it is standing precariously upright so i tend to lean it against a wall in gear at home or when i pop in the local shops.
My only thought is perhaps it has been lowered to cause this. It does have a centre stand but I'd prefer to keep that for maintenance etc only.
IS there a way i can tell if it has been lowered? I daren't bend the side stand to make it stand at a better angle as that's madness.
Pics of back end & side:
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - agricola - 21-01-21
Looks like its been lowered to me. Theres about 2 inches of fork sticking through the top yoke, so id guess that the rear has been dropped the same. You could revert back to stock height, im sure someone on here must have the length of the links reqd for the rear
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - darrsi - 21-01-21
You need to measure one of the dog bones.
Standard measurement is 140mm from centre hole to centre hole.
Shorter length dog bones raise the bike, and longer ones will lower it.
We're talking gradients of about 10mm so be careful when measuring.
If it has been lowered I would guess it's a nightmare using the centre stand?
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - darrsi - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 11:05 AM)agricola link Wrote: Looks like its been lowered to me. Theres about 2 inches of fork sticking through the top yoke, so id guess that the rear has been dropped the same. You could revert back to stock height, im sure someone on here must have the length of the links reqd for the rear
Well spotted with the forks, it's definitely lower than standard.
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - robbo - 21-01-21
It's a wonder the front mudguard hasn't gone through the radiator, under braking :eek .
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - Disorderlypunk - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 11:05 AM)agricola link Wrote: Looks like its been lowered to me. Theres about 2 inches of fork sticking through the top yoke, so id guess that the rear has been dropped the same. You could revert back to stock height, im sure someone on here must have the length of the links reqd for the rear
well spotted - ive been looking at other photos and the swingarm looks like its in the right place to the heelplate
i bet she drops into corners bloody quick if front has been dropped and the rear hasnt due to the reduced rake
also look at the angle of the tank. im gonna say the rear hasnt been lowered
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - agricola - 21-01-21
Just to be on the safe side, Id check to make sure the clamping bolts are tight on the top yoke, the forks may have slipped though if they are loose
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 11:05 AM)agricola link Wrote: Looks like its been lowered to me. Theres about 2 inches of fork sticking through the top yoke, so id guess that the rear has been dropped the same. You could revert back to stock height, im sure someone on here must have the length of the links reqd for the rear
Oh wow didn't even notice the yolks although i wouldn't have known how they come as standard so a massive thank you for pointing that out!
Front is a yes (huge help)
Thank you!
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 11:06 AM)darrsi link Wrote: You need to measure one of the dog bones.
Standard measurement is 140mm from centre hole to centre hole.
Shorter length dog bones raise the bike, and longer ones will lower it.
We're talking gradients of about 10mm so be careful when measuring.
If it has been lowered I would guess it's a nightmare using the centre stand?
Thanks for the measurement! I've yet to try the centre stand but that's a very very good point! I do need to use it later for chain tightening so i shall soon find out.
Again, a massive thanks i now know what to check on the rear.
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 11:39 AM)robbo link Wrote: It's a wonder the front mudguard hasn't gone through the radiator, under braking :eek .
Funnily enough! you may have inadvertently solved another query.
I have to gently move the bike of the curb/pavement and each time i do there's a big plastic clash from the front mudguard!
This must be it hitting so thanks!
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 04:00 PM)agricola link Wrote: Just to be on the safe side, Id check to make sure the clamping bolts are tight on the top yoke, the forks may have slipped though if they are loose
That's a terrifying thought i'll do that immediately!
I really should have checked that sooner so thanks
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - agricola - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 04:07 PM)No link Wrote: [quote author=agricola link=topic=26684.msg322767#msg322767 date=1611223508]
Looks like its been lowered to me. Theres about 2 inches of fork sticking through the top yoke, so id guess that the rear has been dropped the same. You could revert back to stock height, im sure someone on here must have the length of the links reqd for the rear
Oh wow didn't even notice the yolks although i wouldn't have known how they come as standard so a massive thank you for pointing that out!
Front is a yes (huge help)
Thank you!
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I believe standard is with the forks set level with the top face of the top clamp
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - BBROWN1664 - 21-01-21
(21-01-21, 06:49 PM)agricola link Wrote: [quote author=No link=topic=26684.msg322776#msg322776 date=1611241653]
[quote author=agricola link=topic=26684.msg322767#msg322767 date=1611223508]
Looks like its been lowered to me. Theres about 2 inches of fork sticking through the top yoke, so id guess that the rear has been dropped the same. You could revert back to stock height, im sure someone on here must have the length of the links reqd for the rear
It is.
Oh wow didn't even notice the yolks although i wouldn't have known how they come as standard so a massive thank you for pointing that out!
Front is a yes (huge help)
Thank you!
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I believe standard is with the forks set level with the top face of the top clamp
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Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - NJD - 21-01-21
Putting the bike on the centre stand and using one of these (with the cups placed on the bottom run of black frame, assisted by perhaps some thin strips of square wood if needed) will help you lift the front of the bike, if needed, to complete the work. I've got both a lift like that and the bike but haven't checked if the thread on the cups are long enough to ensure the ramp touches the frame first, and not the exhaust pipes, when raised.
Or a headstand.
Or if you've got some ratchet straps you can tie them to a strong beam in a garage or a tree and keep the bike raised up that way (putting the strap around the handlebars).
~
As an aside, and encase you don't know (forgive me if you do):
> the rear caliper is from a FZS 1000 (the brake caliper bracket will be slightly modified to make it fit)
> You can get a Torsion bar (the black bar attached to brake caliper bracket) from a Yamaha Thunderace (of better quality and wont rust as much), if ever needed
> custom seat
> aftermarket handlebars
> you're missing the R/H cover that goes over the airbox
> Rear disc looks questionable, but front looks to be EBC?
> Might want to look at that ding in the R/H header pipe
Bikes either had an owner that pumped loads of money into it (rear caliper upgrade, ebc discs, mudguard etc) and then one that ruined it, or one that suffered conflicting upgrade choices and has left you with half decent half project.
I only post this bit as it seems like you've just purchased it and are attempting to figure it out. Parts of it are definitely not standard but fairly easy to work on.
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 22-01-21
(21-01-21, 07:59 PM)NJD link Wrote: Putting the bike on the centre stand and using one of these (with the cups placed on the bottom run of black frame, assisted by perhaps some thin strips of square wood if needed) will help you lift the front of the bike, if needed, to complete the work. I've got both a lift like that and the bike but haven't checked if the thread on the cups are long enough to ensure the ramp touches the frame first, and not the exhaust pipes, when raised.
Or a headstand.
Or if you've got some ratchet straps you can tie them to a strong beam in a garage or a tree and keep the bike raised up that way (putting the strap around the handlebars).
~
As an aside, and encase you don't know (forgive me if you do):
> the rear caliper is from a FZS 1000 (the brake caliper bracket will be slightly modified to make it fit)
> You can get a Torsion bar (the black bar attached to brake caliper bracket) from a Yamaha Thunderace (of better quality and wont rust as much), if ever needed
> custom seat
> aftermarket handlebars
> you're missing the R/H cover that goes over the airbox
> Rear disc looks questionable, but front looks to be EBC?
> Might want to look at that ding in the R/H header pipe
Bikes either had an owner that pumped loads of money into it (rear caliper upgrade, ebc discs, mudguard etc) and then one that ruined it, or one that suffered conflicting upgrade choices and has left you with half decent half project.
I only post this bit as it seems like you've just purchased it and are attempting to figure it out. Parts of it are definitely not standard but fairly easy to work on.
Thank you for all this info! That is above and beyond. I had no idea other than the seat.
It does have a Fastline.co.uk decal on the windscreen & the previous owner was 64 years old so I imagine minimal rectifying of unwanted upgrades. He told me that the owner before him did extensive work for a magazine.
I’ve yet to clean it, very very dusty but certainly needs a love. I shall look into the front disc but I am clueless.
Didn’t notice the air ox cover either.
It was what I presumed was cheap and had to be local to me as I only had 1k. It has 30k miles (£950) with full MOT.
Two new tyres en route but has a very slack chain which I’ll do at the same time.
I had an FZR 600 over a decade ago & love this fast in comparison.
Thank you again for the massive wealth of info. I now know where to look.
EDIT the front disc is a minth. You may have just saved my life. It’s terrible.
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 22-01-21
The more I read the more I feel I should delete the word cheap.
Everything was £1500+ and 200+ miles away from the south west.
This was local & needed a bike as my car insurance was a joke.
It feels good to ride & I don’t mind the tinkering during lockdown.
I still love it
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - FILZ6 - 22-01-21
MINTH on the front disc is for “ minimum thickness”
It is not a manufacturers name.
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - NJD - 22-01-21
For £950 you've got a bargain, to be honest. The rear caliper alone people sell on eBay for £80-120. You could probably revert a lot of it to standard if you ever sell and flog the additional add-ons on eBay and end up making a profit, but that's way down the line.
I wouldn't overthink the front discs. EBC are a good brand. I only mention the rear disc as it looks reminiscent of those cheap eBay wavy discs people sell, but an EBC one is about £80 (and whatever it would cost to balance the wheel afterwards, if shops do that after fitting a disc) so providing it works I wouldn't overly worry for now.
You're probably saying the front discs are poor because the balance of the bike is so out. As above I'd sort out, or get a shop to, your front fork issue and then go from there in regards to what bits you want to do. You'll probably find handling much improved afterwards, but again I really wouldn't ride it like that. Who knows it may even have been lowered to make the handlebars work, so be prepared to revert it to standard at some cost if needed.
Parts list source (eBay has a wide range of second hand parts for not very much updated basically every day):
https://yambits.co.uk/
https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer/98-99
https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/
Keep updated with project.
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 22-01-21
(22-01-21, 09:46 AM)FILZ6 link Wrote: MINTH on the front disc is for “ minimum thickness”
It is not a manufacturers name.
Omg that’s embarrassing. I only named it as such as I searched that phrase on eBay and someone has listed a Minth disc for a tenner so my stomach dropped.
It is indeed an edc or something I believe
Re: Bike too upright when side stand is down = Lowered maybe? - No - 22-01-21
(22-01-21, 04:52 PM)NJD link Wrote: For £950 you've got a bargain, to be honest. The rear caliper alone people sell on eBay for £80-120. You could probably revert a lot of it to standard if you ever sell and flog the additional add-ons on eBay and end up making a profit, but that's way down the line.
I wouldn't overthink the front discs. EBC are a good brand. I only mention the rear disc as it looks reminiscent of those cheap eBay wavy discs people sell, but an EBC one is about £80 (and whatever it would cost to balance the wheel afterwards, if shops do that after fitting a disc) so providing it works I wouldn't overly worry for now.
You're probably saying the front discs are poor because the balance of the bike is so out. As above I'd sort out, or get a shop to, your front fork issue and then go from there in regards to what bits you want to do. You'll probably find handling much improved afterwards, but again I really wouldn't ride it like that. Who knows it may even have been lowered to make the handlebars work, so be prepared to revert it to standard at some cost if needed.
Parts list source (eBay has a wide range of second hand parts for not very much updated basically every day):
https://yambits.co.uk/
https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer/98-99
https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/
Keep updated with project.
Thank you so much for the links and I will. I don’t imagine I’ll sell it unless someone really really wants it.
I asked [/size][size=78%]the guy I got it off and he said he only lowered the front as he had arthritis. The back still looks a tad low but it is parked on a hill in that photo. [/size]
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[/size]I’ll know a bit more when my tyres arrive tomorrow but I only managed to get a set called Diablos as they were half price (DemonTweeks)[size=78%]
[/size]Thanks again I truly appreciate the input.[size=78%]