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Replacement cooling pipes - Freza - 20-04-18
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,24057.0.html
So, my cooling pipes are gone
My mechanic tried to save them by welding them, but it didn't help.
They have been eaten out from the inside. He says it's because they're made of iron.
I tried finding them online, but no luck so far.
I'd appreciate it if you have any ideas where I could find them.
Thanks!
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - darrsi - 21-04-18
Am i missing something here, they're designed to be in constant contact with water?
Try a free online motorcycle breakers search.
I don't recall ANYONE having this issue before though?
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - fazersharp - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 07:27 AM)darrsi link Wrote: Am i missing something here, they're designed to be in constant contact with water?Plain water or weak coolent ?
Try a free online motorcycle breakers search.
I don't recall ANYONE having this issue before though?
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Freza - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 07:27 AM)darrsi link Wrote: Am i missing something here, they're designed to be in constant contact with water?
Try a free online motorcycle breakers search.
I don't recall ANYONE having this issue before though?
I don't know :/
What is motorcycle breakers search?
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - darrsi - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 09:29 AM)Freza link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=24058.msg278893#msg278893 date=1524292058]
Am i missing something here, they're designed to be in constant contact with water?
Try a free online motorcycle breakers search.
I don't recall ANYONE having this issue before though?
I don't know :/
What is motorcycle breakers search?
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Tick the "email only" box otherwise you'll possibly get loads of phone calls.
http://www.bike-breakers.info/
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - darrsi - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 08:50 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=24058.msg278893#msg278893 date=1524292058]Plain water or weak coolent ?
Am i missing something here, they're designed to be in constant contact with water?
Try a free online motorcycle breakers search.
I don't recall ANYONE having this issue before though?
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His bike would act like a kettle if the mixture was that weak. Rust would be the least of his problems.
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - His Dudeness - 21-04-18
You can use water it won't boil because the cooling system is pressurised so the boiling point is raised but water corrodes metal and freezes at too high a temperature so you shouldn't use it on a road bike
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Disorderlypunk - 21-04-18
if you go track racing (road racing) you have to use water only - no coolant is allowed following acu regulations
water is one of the best coolants there is but unfortunatly for us it freezes and in some areas is full of crap
hard water areas should not fill coolant straight from tap thats one of the things that causes issues
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Disorderlypunk - 21-04-18
and if you dont know if you live in a hard water area
https://www.scaleguard.co.uk/hard-water-areas.html
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - darrsi - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 11:32 AM)His Dudeness link Wrote: You can use water it won't boil because the cooling system is pressurised so the boiling point is raised but water corrodes metal and freezes at too high a temperature so you shouldn't use it on a road bike
So his issue stems from an incorrect/weak mix over time then?
Can't say i've ever used water on its own because it makes zero sense when coolant/antifreeze does what it says on the bottle.
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Disorderlypunk - 21-04-18
it could be a weak mixture so the corrosion inhibiters are not strong enough yes
a catalyst to corrosion could also be caused by limescale which is caused by hard water in hot systems
-- from a central heating company --
The building blocks of limescale are calcium and magnesium. Thus, one would think that limescale should have a white color. Yet, limescale deposits are usually brown! When limescale deposits build up, iron and oxidized iron particles get caught and are imbedded in the limescale. Rust firmly attaches itself to your pipes, causing serious threats such as corrosion.
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Freza - 21-04-18
Just sent the inquiry to bike-breakers. Thanks.
Regarding the corrosion, the bike has been serviced by many mechanics for the past 15 years, I was relying on them so I didn't check if they all poured in antifreeze. I thought it's just a normal thing to do. :/
My current mechanic showed me the pipes, they are eaten from the inside, and T-pipe also broke so he had to weld it. Inside the pipes there was brown dirt that they had to clean, grease the tubes, change the clamps and pour in fresh antifreeze, but it looks like it didn't help, it still leaks
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - His Dudeness - 21-04-18
Coolant is one of the things that often gets over looked on a "full service". Sometimes you have to specifically ask for it to be changed. The Fazer has the fill point for the system under the tank so to check the condition of the fluid you have to move the fuel tank out of the way and I guess the mechanics didn't do that. If you leave it go too long it'll lose it's effectiveness at stopping corrosion and you'll get corrosion from the inside out like you said and when you do change it it'll come out looking like rusty water. If you have a look on ebay and type in "fazer 600 cooling" and you should find some good used pipes
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Disorderlypunk - 21-04-18
i hope you kept them because if you have no luck finding some it might mean having some fabricated
problem will be finding someone willing to, custom car builders could (is they do custom rads) as could any firms that repair hydraulic machines as pipework is often damaged
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Disorderlypunk - 21-04-18
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-fazer-fzs600-1998-water-pipe-journal/232258174221?hash=item3613aa7d0d:g:HKUAAOSwTM5YuDED
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - His Dudeness - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 12:07 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=His Dudeness link=topic=24058.msg278918#msg278918 date=1524306768]
You can use water it won't boil because the cooling system is pressurised so the boiling point is raised but water corrodes metal and freezes at too high a temperature so you shouldn't use it on a road bike
So his issue stems from an incorrect/weak mix over time then?
Can't say i've ever used water on its own because it makes zero sense when coolant/antifreeze does what it says on the bottle.
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Probably more likely it was from old coolant rather than too much water but the effect is the same corrosion!
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Freza - 21-04-18
I'm so pissed because of that.
Forecast for the whole week is sunny and I can't even find the damn pipes yet
(21-04-18, 01:14 PM)Disorderlypunk link Wrote: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-fazer-fzs600-1998-water-pipe-journal/232258174221?hash=item3613aa7d0d:g:HKUAAOSwTM5YuDED
Thanks, I'll have a look. Not sure what pipe this is.
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Freza - 21-04-18
I just asked my mechanic to send me pictures of my pipes while they were taken out, he took them before they reassembled them.
Only the T-pipe was already welded by him.
Take a look at this shit.
I don't know what they used for cooling, but this borderlines with sabotage attempt, I'm not far away from thinking one of them wanted to screw my bike up, just don't know which one.
https://imgur.com/a/wXgZi3A
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - His Dudeness - 21-04-18
That's a shame on such a clean bike. A set of used pipes off ebay should sort it out for not too much. You might want to change the thermostat and rad cap as well in case they are rusted.
Re: Replacement cooling pipes - Freza - 21-04-18
(21-04-18, 01:59 PM)His Dudeness link Wrote: That's a shame on such a clean bike. A set of used pipes off ebay should sort it out for not too much. You might want to change the thermostat and rad cap as well in case they are rusted.
Cap already changed, thermostat is next :thumbup