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Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Woody78 - 21-09-17
Hello,
I'm hoping to buy my first fazer but I'm worried about some rust on the exhaust. Can anyone offer any advice? It is from a dealer and I get a 30 day warranty. I have (hopefully) included the pictures
Really appreciate any views, thanks.
Woody
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - fazersharp - 21-09-17
I would say almost certainly that the collector box area is rusted through - underneath the bike where the 4 pipes join, I have a 98 that does not see rain and my downpipes are nowhere near the state of yours and yet I still have holes in the collector area - see here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,22250.msg257939.html#msg257939
The next problem you will have is when you cone to change the exhaust because the engine studs will be so badly rusted that when you come to remove the exhaust they will snap. -searc on here for snapped studs.
How much for the bike - you maybe better off finding a better example
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - F4celess - 21-09-17
Check if the Exhaust is blowing? Not much is likely to change in 30 days.
But you know that's on its way out (perhaps negotiate it as a factor on the bike price).New set of Headers will set you back £150 or £190 (Black Widow vs Delkevic).
EDIT: That's new prices above. Obviously you could bag a bargain on these Parts 2nd hand instead (ebay).
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Robbie8666 - 21-09-17
just looking at the pictures I'm surprised that the dealer hasn't even bothered to clean the bike in anyway.. suggests he has taken it in as a PX and just wants a quick turn around..
what price is he asking, mileage etc
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Woody78 - 21-09-17
Hi I'm paying £1200 and the mileage is 22000. I guess I was just looking at the mileage as a indicator.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - F4celess - 21-09-17
I will actually be selling my Fazer (99) complete Exhaust system within the next few weeks, if interested? It's in Black (standard clean Headers + very clean Yamaha Silencer with no dings). If you do pickup this bike, give me a shout and we could agree on a deal for the lot. I could even drop it off, if you are close enough.
Only selling as I'm going to be putting a new system on mine/different Silencer. Apologies for the obvious plug. :pc
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - tommyardin - 21-09-17
I'm assuming it is an early one as the fork leg bottoms are the clear lacquer type rather than the silver painted legs on the newer models.
The Headers (Down pipes) can be replaced at a reasonable cost as mentioned in an earlier reply, also as mentioned the eight manifold nuts can be real heart breakers, but, it is not impossible to do it as long as you are patient and use common sense, spray them liberally with a good release agent, 'Plus Gas Formula A Fast Release' is a good option. WD40 is no use for this what-so-ever, it is a silicon lube and moisture displacing fluid, its a penetrating fluid release agent you want.
Give all eight of them a good blast of the stuff morning and night preferably when the engine is warm (Not RED Hot) for a week before you try to undo them. also a good move is to give them a sharp tap using a drift (6 inch long bolt) and a hammer before you try to undo them, maybe the night before and give them another good drenching of release agent.
Go steady with the hammer and drift they only need a sharp tap, go too silly and you might mushroom the top of the stud stopping the nut from coming right off or bending the stud.
If the nuts feel really tight you can try apply some heat with a gas blow lamp with a fine flame and or try very gently to tighten the nut a bit and then rocking the nut undone and up again if you feel any movement, use caution.
If a stud or studs do break it is not the end of the world, but it is a pain in the arse, they can be removed with the engine still in place but it is not easy.
I had two break on my FZS when I replaced the headers because of pin holes in the collector, and like Sharpie, my pipes did not look anything like yours.
A bit of maintenance:
What I do is to remove one nut from each of the four header pipes every 6 months or so and Copper Slip them and tighten them back on then remove the other four nuts and do the same, careful tightening them don't over do it, the other thing I have done with my studs is to put a 10mm capped stainless steel nut on top of the standard type manifold pinch nut this acts as a lock nut and stops the manifold pinch nuts coming loose or off. This will take about 45 minutes to do and save so many many tears in the long run.
Oh! and the capped nuts look great to,[size=1em] If I ever buy a new bike I will do this Copper Slip treatment from the off.[/size]
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - darrsi - 21-09-17
Seems expensive to me for a 19 year old bike that hasn't been looked after.
If the exhaust is that bad then i'm guessing you're gonna unearth other things that will need doing too.
I'm certain you could get a bike in much better condition for similar money.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - mr self destruct - 21-09-17
Walk away.
I had a similar issue when I bought mine and the exhaust studs made it a right pain in the arse job.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - BBROWN1664 - 21-09-17
From a dealer, it will come with a warranty but I would haggle in a new set of downpipes. That said, without giving them a good prod, they could be very solid still and all we are seeing is surface rust.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Dudeofrude - 21-09-17
As others have said that seems to be in very poor condition. I wouldn't expect to pay more than around £800 for something in that state.
Have you looked around elsewhere? Also is it s Fazer yiur after or just anything in your budget?
There are some very nice bikes about for £1200 Just depends where you are and what your wanting.
Here's an example from my area..
https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/suzuki-gsxr-750-srad/1267152641
That's the kind of condition I would hope to find one in. Something that shows the owner has taken a bit of pride in it.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - unfazed - 21-09-17
My advice is to ask the dealer to fit stainless downpipes and you will pay for the pipes, but not the labour. If he does not agree walk away unless he drops his price to around £800.
It is expensive with the pipes in that condition
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - vinnyb - 21-09-17
(21-09-17, 02:19 PM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: As others have said that seems to be in very poor condition. I wouldn't expect to pay more than around £800 for something in that state.Speaking personally, I wouldn't touch an Srad 750, with a 2nd rate paint job and scuffed frame with somebody else's barge pole, even if the fork seals weren't pissing oil (which they are) and it didn't have dodgy stickers all over it (which it has) It's obviously been lobbed at some point.
Have you looked around elsewhere? Also is it s Fazer yiur after or just anything in your budget?
There are some very nice bikes about for £1200 Just depends where you are and what your wanting.
Here's an example from my area..
https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/suzuki-gsxr-750-srad/1267152641
That's the kind of condition I would hope to find one in. Something that shows the owner has taken a bit of pride in it.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - celticdog - 21-09-17
It's overpriced for what it is fella. Trade prices are higher than private but I think it's priced about £200 over trade price. Taking off exhaust headers is not a straight forward job either. Take your time you'll get what your after. I've got a 1999 that I use for commuting and there's not a month that passes without me having to do some maintenance /replacement /servicing work. It's all good fun.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Dave48 - 22-09-17
From my own experience I suggest you walk well away from this one,since even if the dealer agrees to replace the entire exhaust system from headers to silencer,the degree of rust/corrosion in your pics suggests general lack of care/maintenance so if it was me purchasing the bike i would want to check every service item end to end & also be looking to replace those old original brake hoses for starters. I take it theres no service history/paperwork to back up?
This, my friend, is going to be a money pit & for this sort of money there are far better bikes available which would mean you get to spend your hard-earned on fuel rather than replacement parts/dealer time. Be patient & keep looking.
I recently saw a Fazer Thou in a local dealers shop which on the surface appeared well cared for BUT underneath the full fairing the exhaust header studs & nuts were in a dreadful state & whoever purchased the bike would sooner or later be forking out big time for stud removal which as others have already said is neither an easy nor cheap job. Good luck!
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Robbie8666 - 22-09-17
in my experience you are already having doubts otherwise you wouldn't have posed the question on here so walk away!!
you don't owe the dealer anything so shop around!
there are other bikes out there but if you do end up looking for another fazer ask any question on here, as you have already seen there is a wealth of knowledge / experience and people willing to offer sound advice... but not just limited to fazer's ...
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Oldgit - 22-09-17
Just walk away Rene, as they say in the song.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - Woody78 - 22-09-17
Thanks guys defo walking away, unfortunately I foolishly put a £200 deposit on the bike on wed which the dealer is now refusing to pay back. ?
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - BBROWN1664 - 22-09-17
If your going to lose £200 then you may as well buy it. Otherwise you need to find one in better condition for £800 that has a warranty.
Speak to them about putting new downpipes on.
Re: Rust on fazer 98, is it a problem? - celticdog - 22-09-17
(22-09-17, 02:24 PM)Woody78 link Wrote: Thanks guys defo walking away, unfortunately I foolishly put a £200 deposit on the bike on wed which the dealer is now refusing to pay back. ?
That's unfortunate fella >:
Did you sign any paperwork? Either way I'm afraid you'll have a fight to get anything back from him.
(22-09-17, 02:38 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: If your going to lose £200 then you may as well buy it. Otherwise you need to find one in better condition for £800 that has a warranty.
Speak to them about putting new downpipes on.
I think this might be your best option now. Unfortunately there's no cooling off period, you'll need to argue that the vehicle is not of satisfactory quality, unless you get the downpipes sorted.