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back protectors - carlos - 02-03-14
hi second post and another question. returning to bikes after some time I bought a jacket with a protector fitted in the back since then I have also seen bike riders wearing separate harness protectors
Does any one have experience of the effectivness of the one like mine just sat in holder in the jacket and will these stay in place in a accident??
Re: back protectors - fazersharp - 02-03-14
The thing somtimes is that the one that came in your jacket may just be so they can say it comes with one and you may be better upgrading it to a better one. Cant see why it would move as mine sits in its own pocket with a zip ontop
Re: back protectors - Dead Eye - 02-03-14
Mine was such a pain in the ass that I removed it and I've never put back in... despite being in a pocket on the inside of the jacket, the blasted thing would ride up the back of the jacket and sometimes catch on the back of my helmet... in the end, I've given up with it and I actually have no idea where it is anymore :\
Re: back protectors - noggythenog - 02-03-14
Ive got a good forcefield back protector...it got best buy & was deemed really protective in a crash.
Trouble is it's an extra & if you take out your jacket protection & forget your forcefield then you're goosed.
Plus it's an extra thing to take off when it is hot & you'll end up with a big pile of stuff at the bacon butty van.
It does however feel comfy enough whilst riding & makes me feel all warm a cozy & safe, like wearing a stab vest in Glasgow
.Plus i wish i had bought my protector and jacket together as i chose the jacket to be tight incase of an off (honest that why it is tight :rolleyes ) & it is almost uncomfortable to squeeze the jacket over its bulk.
Re: back protectors - Dead Eye - 02-03-14
To be honest, these days I could probably get away with putting the back protector back in (if I knew where it was), as my jacket is now ridiculously loose on me (yay). I generally use it as a winter jacket now as I can pile on many many layers and the jacket still fits, whereas when I bought it, I would have a hard time getting the bugger to zip-up
For the summer, I now have my leather jacket, so this is somewhat irrelevant but hopefully I won't have to test out my gear again any time soon anyway
Re: back protectors - JoeRock - 02-03-14
(02-03-14, 09:17 PM)carlos link Wrote: hi second post and another question. returning to bikes after some time I bought a jacket with a protector fitted in the back since then I have also seen bike riders wearing separate harness protectors
Does any one have experience of the effectivness of the one like mine just sat in holder in the jacket and will these stay in place in a accident??
You need to check that mate - a lot of the time they come with just a thin bit of foam that will do quite literally sod all in an accident, its very rare that they come with a proper piece of hard amour in there.
Personally I wear a jacket with an inbuilt protector (although its removable), but that's because I take my jacket off a lot and don't want to have to walk around wearing a piece of armour. As when I'm planning on some fun i zip my trousers to my jacket, its a very snug and comfortable fit, and doesn't move around at all.
My best mate wears one of the seperate ones, but he only really uses his bike for fun now so walking around in a piece of armour isn't really an issue for him.
Just depends what you want really!
Re: back protectors - bri h - 02-03-14
My jacket has one and its quite comfy do i wear it. However i heard that most back injuries are csused by twisting so a back protector wont help. Im sure some of the medical foccers will put us straight.
Re: back protectors - Punkstig - 02-03-14
Forcefield do various shape and sized back protectors to replace the different makes of jacket as well as the harnessed ones, I have a forcefield in my Rukka jacket, they are thicker than usual and add bulk so should be tried on in your jacket in the shop!
Re: back protectors - noggythenog - 02-03-14
Interesting little article here on a study by the ozzies.2012 though
It says that the study showed an increase in soft tissue injury when foam inserts were used in jackets & that prer armour is the way forward basically.
http://www.defense.gov/home/pdf/0412_militaryrider/DYK_USMC2.pdf
Re: back protectors - midden - 03-03-14
(02-03-14, 11:28 PM)bri h link Wrote: My jacket has one and its quite comfy do i wear it. However i heard that most back injuries are csused by twisting so a back protector wont help. Im sure some of the medical foccers will put us straight.Is that an intended pun I spy?
Re: back protectors - Grahamm - 03-03-14
(02-03-14, 11:42 PM)noggythenog link Wrote: Interesting little article here on a study by the ozzies.2012 though
It says that the study showed an increase in soft tissue injury when foam inserts were used in jackets
I'm not sure I follow their conclusions.
Yes, according to their figures, the likelihood of bruising on your back seems to double, but I would have thought that, without it, you'd no longer be in the sort of incidents that they're looking at (you'd be in the KSI category instead which they have effectively excluded), so surely that means it's a good thing because of that?
Re: back protectors - noggythenog - 03-03-14
(03-03-14, 12:48 AM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=noggythenog link=topic=11920.msg131248#msg131248 date=1393800150]
Interesting little article here on a study by the ozzies.2012 though
It says that the study showed an increase in soft tissue injury when foam inserts were used in jackets
I'm not sure I follow their conclusions.
Yes, according to their figures, the likelihood of bruising on your back seems to double, but I would have thought that, without it, you'd no longer be in the sort of incidents that they're looking at (you'd be in the KSI category instead which they have effectively excluded), so surely that means it's a good thing because of that?
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Ye i kinda thought that graham coz it said soft tissue & i think the main thing to worry about is the spinal cord.
I dont suppose any protector is saying you wont have a sore back or even a damaged one but you might still have signals alowing you to function.
Re: back protectors - bri h - 03-03-14
Hi midden you know my sense of humor isnt good. I blame it on the pun thread .Now im really confused about the back protector in my jacket. Not sure whether to leave it in or take it out. A couple more pies and it will have to go anyway.
Re: back protectors - carlos - 03-03-14
interesting replys the jacket I have is a furygan and has d30 orange thing in the back any good?
having biked for years in the 80s and 90s with boots jeans and sometimes just a cut off denim over a sweat shirt the clothing now is mind boggling
I have always worn boots the stronger the better it horrifies me when I see riders in trainers
the back protectors okay but the elbow pads however drive me nuts and may be thrown
Re: back protectors - Arfa - 03-03-14
I thought many jackets just stuffed a foam insert in as a placeholder, it isn't actually armour per ce. This was the case with my Hein Gericke jacket, had to buy a £25 proper insert that was CE rated armour and swap it in.
I like the convenience of armour in place in the jacket, as you're more likely to wear it all the time. With a separate back protector, there's going to be days when you say arse to it, I'm only popping down shops for 5 mins, I'll be alright... However the armour inserted into jackets is often pretty basic, and will only be effective if your jacket is a good fit and they stay in position. Separate back protectors usually offer a lot more protection, especially for the lower part of the spine. Horses for courses, swings and roundabouts etc.
Re: back protectors - Punkstig - 03-03-14
(03-03-14, 09:13 AM)carlos link Wrote: interesting replys the jacket I have is a furygan and has d30 orange thing in the back any good?D30 is an upgrade to standard protection rukka provide, it's supposed to be pretty decent but it's bloody heavy!
Afaik forcefield is still the best money can buy!
Re: back protectors - AndyL - 03-03-14
What's the view on the inflating vests? i'd guess they're better for soft tissue damage, I don't know how they will compare for cord damage though surely an air bag must help slow down the impact.
I had a crash on a push bike resulting in detached ribs (broke 6th and 7th, detached 8th,9th and 10th) so would like to get some protection for my back on the motorbike.
Re: back protectors - mr self destruct - 03-03-14
(03-03-14, 01:04 PM)AndyL link Wrote: What's the view on the inflating vests? i'd guess they're better for soft tissue damage, I don't know how they will compare for cord damage though surely an air bag must help slow down the impact.
I had a crash on a push bike resulting in detached ribs (broke 6th and 7th, detached 8th,9th and 10th) so would like to get some protection for my back on the motorbike.
I'd like it if they inflated more than they do now, I wouldn't feel safe until I'd end up Zorbing down the M6.
Re: back protectors - Grahamm - 03-03-14
(03-03-14, 09:35 AM)Arfa link Wrote: I thought many jackets just stuffed a foam insert in as a placeholder, it isn't actually armour per ce. This was the case with my Hein Gericke jacket, had to buy a £25 proper insert that was CE rated armour and swap it in.
IIRC the standard foam ones are usual Level 1 protection, but, like you, I swapped mine for a Level 2 version for better protection.
There's more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_armor
Re: back protectors - Frosties - 03-03-14
(03-03-14, 09:13 AM)carlos link Wrote: interesting replys the jacket I have is a furygan and has d30 orange thing in the back any good?
having biked for years in the 80s and 90s with boots jeans and sometimes just a cut off denim over a sweat shirt the clothing now is mind boggling
I have always worn boots the stronger the better it horrifies me when I see riders in trainers
the back protectors okay but the elbow pads however drive me nuts and may be thrown
Hiya fella, I've also got the Furygan jacket (with upgraded D30 back protector) and trousers with D30 armour. If you have a search round you'll see that both Held and Rukka are producing their own D30 armour now so must be a good thing. Linky below to your Furygan D30 upgrade
http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/80977
Good luck