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Starting glitch - ChristoT - 16-07-13

I'm experiencing a weird glitch with my Fazer. If I ride it half a mile to the fuel station (or similar), leave it a few minutes, when I come back to it, the bike refuses to start in neutral - the engine turns over, but doesn't fire. When I kick it into first, however, it often starts straight away. Why!? Any ideas?

Re: Starting glitch - cfoley - 16-07-13

I was about to ask if the side stand was down but that would have the opposite effect. Could it be something wrong with the side stand up-down sensor?

Re: Starting glitch - ChristoT - 16-07-13

(16-07-13, 10:30 PM)cfoley link Wrote: I was about to ask if the side stand was down but that would have the opposite effect. Could it be something wrong with the side stand up-down sensor?

I thought that - but why would it only refuse to start in neutral when the engine is warm? Starting cold isn't a problem at all.

Am well confused!!  :\

Re: Starting glitch - cfoley - 16-07-13

Starting in first gear means you have the clutch pulled in. Does it start in neutral with the clutch in?

In a car, that could be the sign of a flooded engine. Don't know if that applies to a bike.

Re: Starting glitch - ChristoT - 16-07-13

(16-07-13, 10:53 PM)cfoley link Wrote: Starting in first gear means you have the clutch pulled in. Does it start in neutral with the clutch in?

In a car, that could be the sign of a flooded engine. Don't know if that applies to a bike.

No - if the neutral light is on, the bike doesn't like to start. Sometimes, it needs the clutch barely disengaged to kick in to life - it's very strange! It's always after a short spin (under 10mins) when the bike's been off for a few minutes. Cold, or just switched off is fine. It's a mystery!!

Re: Starting glitch - ChristoT - 16-07-13

I don't know if this makes a difference, but my usual shut down procedure is kill switch, ignition off. Starting, it's kill switch, ignition on, starter. And never more than 10 second bursts at a time (normally starts under a second) - 5s bursts usually.

Re: Starting glitch - Dead Eye - 16-07-13

Are you saying that you are killing the engine with the kill switch every time you stop?

As far as I'm aware that's a big no no. You should turn the ignition off first, then if you must, hit the killswitch and then deploy the side stand or get off and put on to the side stand / centre stand

Re: Starting glitch - ChristoT - 16-07-13

(16-07-13, 11:20 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote: Are you saying that you are killing the engine with the kill switch every time you stop?

As far as I'm aware that's a big no no. You should turn the ignition off first, then if you must, hit the killswitch and then deploy the side stand or get off and put on to the side stand / centre stand

Mostly. But I can't see why it's a no-no (apart from wearing out the switch), as it does the same as the ignition. I can't see how that would be linked to the neutral problem though? Surely then it would affect the bike in all gears?

Re: Starting glitch - cfoley - 16-07-13

I have never used the killswitch on my bike. Come to think of it, I don't even know if it works. :S

Re: Starting glitch - Dead Eye - 17-07-13

(16-07-13, 11:24 PM)ChristoT link Wrote: [quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=8888.msg88254#msg88254 date=1374013233]
Are you saying that you are killing the engine with the kill switch every time you stop?

As far as I'm aware that's a big no no. You should turn the ignition off first, then if you must, hit the killswitch and then deploy the side stand or get off and put on to the side stand / centre stand

Mostly. But I can't see why it's a no-no (apart from wearing out the switch), as it does the same as the ignition. I can't see how that would be linked to the neutral problem though? Surely then it would affect the bike in all gears?
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I have no idea, it's just something that I have picked up from somewhere but I have no idea as to whether its accurate

There are several other threads where people have had intermittent starting issues and the have described your problem exactly

Re: Starting glitch - simonm - 17-07-13

:hijack

I stop with front brake, clutch in, right foot down.
I then select neutral, put down the side stand, rest on stand and turn off ignition.
Right or wrong ?


Re: Starting glitch - Dead Eye - 17-07-13

Almost right until the last bit. Should switch off the engine before putting the side stand down Smile This is what I was taught by the riding school, not just some random figment of my imagination as above Tongue

Re: Starting glitch - Punkstig - 17-07-13

(17-07-13, 09:33 AM)Dead Eye link Wrote: Almost right until the last bit. Should switch off the engine before putting the side stand down Smile This is what I was taught by the riding school, not just some random figment of my imagination as above Tongue
Because its very easy to accidentally knock into first gear whilst attempting to put side stand down, hence switch off engine first otherwise she pops forward!

Re: Starting glitch - Dead Eye - 17-07-13

Precisely the reason the instructors gave Big Grin

Re: Starting glitch - simonm - 17-07-13

(17-07-13, 09:37 AM)Punkstig link Wrote: [quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=8888.msg88289#msg88289 date=1374049999]
Almost right until the last bit. Should switch off the engine before putting the side stand down Smile This is what I was taught by the riding school, not just some random figment of my imagination as above Tongue
Because its very easy to accidentally knock into first gear whilst attempting to put side stand down, hence switch off engine first otherwise she pops forward!
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Thanks for the explanation :-)

Re: Starting glitch - nick crisp - 17-07-13

I'm no mechanic, but I wonder if this is a clutch switch problem?

Re: Starting glitch - Andy FZS - 17-07-13

I'd have to check but I fairly sure side stand clutch switch etc stop the starter motor but I think the kill switch just stops it running. I'll try it later.

Re: Starting glitch - Dead Eye - 17-07-13

How could the clutch switch cause this? I had an issue with mine whereby pulling in the clutch still wouldn't let me start in gear. Ended up taking a stanley blade to it and cut a bit off the end of the plastic nubbin bit and now it works perfectly Big Grin With the clutch out and in gear, it won't start but pull in the clutch and away it goes - I was expecting the first part to fail and for it to just permanently think that the clutch was pulled in - something I could live with if I had to, so this was a good result for an extreme measure

Re: Starting glitch - simonm - 18-07-13

(17-07-13, 01:11 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote: How could the clutch switch cause this? I had an issue with mine whereby pulling in the clutch still wouldn't let me start in gear. Ended up taking a stanley blade to it and cut a bit off the end of the plastic nubbin bit and now it works perfectly Big Grin With the clutch out and in gear, it won't start but pull in the clutch and away it goes - I was expecting the first part to fail and for it to just permanently think that the clutch was pulled in - something I could live with if I had to, so this was a good result for an extreme measure
Mine won't start unless it's in neutral which is an arse if you stall it in first.  I suppose the solution is not to stall  :think

Re: Starting glitch - Dead Eye - 18-07-13

In that case, do what I did! I had the same fault

Use a stanley knife or some side cutters and just snip off a bit of the end of the black plastic lug on the switch Smile Mine now works perfectly